Lectures or Tractates on the Gospel According to St. John 69
69.1 Chapter XIV. 4–6 PL 35, 1815
1. We have now the opportunity, dearly, beloved, as far as we can, of understanding the earlier words of the Lord from the later, and His previous statements by those that follow, in what you have heard was His answer to the question of the Apostle Thomas. For when the Lord was speaking above of the mansions, of which He both said that they already were in His Father’s house, and that He was going to prepare them; where we understood that those mansions already existed in predestination, and are also being prepared through the purifying by faith of the hearts of those who are hereafter to inhabit them, seeing that they themselves are the very house of God; and what else is it to dwell in God’s house than to be in the number of His people, since His people are at the same time in God, and God in them? To make this preparation the Lord departed, that by believing in Him, though no longer visible, the mansion, whose outward form is always hid in the future, may now by faith be prepared: for this reason, therefore, He had said, “And if I go away and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.” In reply to this, “Thomas saith unto Him, Lord, we know not whither Thou goest: and how can we know the way?” Both of these the Lord had said that they knew; both of them this other declares that he does not know, to wit, the place to which, and the way whereby, He is going. But he does not know that he is speaking falsely; they knew, therefore, and did not know that they knew. He will convince them that they already know what they imagine themselves still to be ignorant of. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life.” What, brethren, does He mean? See, we have just heard the disciple asking, and the Master instructing, and we do not yet, even after His voice has sounded in our ears, apprehend the thought that lies hid in His words. But what is it we cannot apprehend? Could His apostles, with whom He was talking, have said to Him, We do not know Thee? Accordingly, if they knew Him, and He Himself is the way, they knew the way; if they knew Him who is Himself the truth, they knew the truth; if they knew Him who is also the life, they knew the life. Thus, you see, they were convinced that they knew what they knew not that they knew.
Nunc est dilectissimi, ut quantum valemus, intelligamus de verbis Domini posterioribus priora, et consequentibus praecedentia, in eo quod audistis apostolo Thomae interroganti esse responsum. Dixerat enim superius Dominus, cum de mansionibus loqueretur, quas et esse dixit in domo Patris sui, et ire se ut praeparet eas; ubi intelleximus et esse jam mansiones ipsas in praedestinatione, et praeparari eas cum eorum qui ibi mansuri sunt, per fidem corda mundantur, quoniam ipsa Dei domus ipsi sunt; et quid est aliud manere in domo Dei, quam esse in populo Dei, cum idem populus est in Deo, et Deus in eo? hoc ut praepararet, Dominus abiit; ut credendo in eum qui non videtur, ea quae in specie semper futura est, nunc per fidem mansio praeparetur: propter hoc ergo dixerat, Et si abiero, et praeparavero vobis locum, iterum venio, et accipiam vos ad meipsum, ut ubi ego sum et vos sitis. Et quo ego vado scitis, et viam scitis. Ad haec dicit ei Thomas: Domine, nescimus quo vadis; et quomodo possumus viam scire? Utrumque illos Dominus dixerat scire, utrumque dicit iste nescire, et locum quo itur, et viam qua itur. Sed nescit ille mentiri: ergo isti sciebant, et scire se nesciebant. Convincat eos jam scire, quod se putant adhuc usque nescire. Dicit ei Jesus: Ego sum via, et veritas, et vita. Quid est, fratres? Ecce audivimus discipulum interrogantem, audivimus et magistrum docentem, et nondum capimus, etiam post vocem sonantem, sententiam latitantem. Sed quid non possumus capere? Numquid poterant ei dicere Apostoli ejus cum quibus loquebatur, Nescimus te? Proinde si eum sciebant, et via ipse est, viam sciebant: si eum sciebant, et veritas ipse est, veritatem sciebant: si eum sciebant, et vita ipse est, vitam sciebant. Ecce scire convicti sunt quod se scire nesciebant.
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2. What is it, then, that we also have not apprehended in this discourse? What else, think you, brethren, but just that He said, “And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know”? And here we have discovered that they knew the way, because they knew Him who is the way: the way is that by which we go; but is the way the place also to which we go? And yet each of these He said that they knew, both whither He was going, and the way. There was need, therefore, for His saying, “I am the way,” in order to show those who knew Him that they knew the way, which they thought themselves ignorant of; but what need was there for His saying, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life,” when, after knowing the way by which He went, they had still to learn whither He was going, but just because it was to the truth and to the life He was going? By Himself, therefore, He was going to Himself. And whither go we, but to Him, and by what way go we, but by Him? He, therefore, went to Himself by Himself, and we by Him to Him; yea, likewise both He and we go thus to the Father. For He says also in another place of Himself, “I go to the Father;” and here on our account He says, “No man cometh unto the Father but by me.” And in this way, He goeth by Himself both to Himself and to the Father, and we by Him both to Him and to the Father. Who can apprehend such things save he who has spiritual discernment? and how much is it that even he can apprehend, although thus spiritually discerning? Brethren, how can you desire me to explain such things to you? Only reflect how lofty they are. You see what I am, I see what you are; in all of us the body, which is corrupted, burdens the soul, and the earthly tabernacle weigheth down the mind that museth upon many things. Do we think we can say, “To Thee have I lifted up my soul, O Thou that dwellest in the heavens”? But burdened as we are with so great a weight, under which we groan, how shall I lift up my soul unless He lift it with me who laid His own down for me? I shall speak then as I can, and let each of you who is able receive it. As He gives, I speak; as He gives, the receiver receiveth; and as He giveth, there is faith for him who cannot yet receive with understanding. For, saith the prophet, “If ye will not believe, ye shall not understand.”
Quid igitur et nos in isto sermone non cepimus? Quid putatis, fratres mei, nisi quia dixit, Et quo vado scitis, et viam scitis? Et ecce cognovimus quod sciebant viam, quia sciebant ipsum qui est via: sed via est qua itur; numquid via est et quo itur? Utrumque autem illos dixerat scire, et quo vadit, et viam. Opus ergo erat ut diceret, Ego sum via, ut ostenderet eos qui eum scirent, viam scire quam putaverant se nescire: quid autem opus erat ut diceret, Ego sum via, et veritas, et vita, cum via cognita qua iret, restaret nosse quo iret; nisi quia ibat ad veritatem, ibat ad vitam? Ibat ergo ad seipsum, per seipsum. Et nos quo imus, nisi ad ipsum? et qua imus, nisi per ipsum? Ipse igitur ad seipsum per seipsum; nos ad ipsum per ipsum: imo vero et ad Patrem et ipse et nos. Nam et de seipso alibi dicit, Ad Patrem vado : et hoc loco propter nos, Nemo, inquit, venit ad Patrem, nisi per me. Ac per hoc et ipse per se ipsum et ad seipsum et ad Patrem, et nos per ipsum et ad ipsum et ad Patrem. Quis haec capit, nisi qui spiritualiter sapit? Et quantum est quod hic capit, etiamsi spiritualiter sapit? Fratres, quid a me ista vobis vultis exponi? Cogitate quam excelsa sint. Videtis quid sim, video quid sitis: in omnibus nobis corpus quod corrumpitur aggravat animam, et deprimit terrena inhabitatio sensum multa cogitantem . Putamusne possumus dicere, Ad te levavi animam meam, qui habitas in coelo ? Sed sub tanto pondere ubi ingemiscimus gravati, quomodo levabo animam meam, nisi mecum levet qui posuit pro me suam? Dicam ergo quod possum, capiat vestrum qui potest. Quo donante dico, eo donante capit qui capit, et eo donante credit qui nondum capit. Nisi enim credideritis, inquit propheta, non intelligetis .
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3. Tell me, O my Lord, what to say to Thy servants, my fellow-servants. The Apostle Thomas had Thee before him in order to ask Thee questions, and yet could not understand Thee unless he had Thee within him; I ask Thee because I know that Thou art over me; and I ask, seeking, as far as I can, to let my soul diffuse itself in that same region over me where I may listen to Thee, who usest no external sound to convey Thy teaching. Tell me, I pray, how it is that Thou goest to Thyself. Didst Thou formerly leave Thyself to come to us, especially as Thou camest not of Thyself, but the Father sent Thee? I know, indeed, that Thou didst empty Thyself; but in taking the form of a servant, it was neither that Thou didst lay down the form of God as something to return to, or that Thou lost it as something to be recovered; and yet Thou didst come, and didst place Thyself not only before the carnal eyes, but even in the very hands of men. And how otherwise save in Thy flesh? By means of this Thou didst come, yet abiding where Thou wast; by this means Thou didst return, without leaving the place to which Thou hadst come. If, then, by such means Thou didst come and return, by such means doubtless Thou art not only the way for us to come unto Thee, but wast the way also for Thyself to come and to return. For when Thou didst return to the life, which Thou art Thyself, then of a truth that same flesh of Thine Thou didst bring from death unto life. The Word of God, indeed, is one thing, and man another; but the Word was made flesh, or became man. And so the person of the Word is not different from that of the man, seeing that Christ is both in one person; and in this way, just as when His flesh died. Christ died, and when His flesh was buried, Christ was buried (for thus with the heart we believe unto righteousness, and thus with the mouth do we make confession unto salvation); so when the flesh came from death unto life, Christ came to life. And because Christ is the Word of God, He is also the life. And thus in a wonderful and ineffable manner He, who never laid down or lost Himself, came to Himself. But God, as was said, had come through the flesh to men, the truth to liars; for God is true, and every man a liar. When, therefore, He withdrew His flesh from amongst men, and carried it up there where no liar is found, He also Himself—for the Word was made flesh—returned by Himself, that is, by His flesh, to the truth, which is none other but Himself. And this truth, we cannot doubt, although found amongst liars, He preserved even in death; for Christ was once dead, but never false.
Dic mihi, Domine meus, quid dicam servis tuis conservis meis? Thomas apostolus ut te interrogaret, habuit te ante se; nec tamen intelligeret te, nisi haberet in se: ego interrogo te, quia te scio esse super me; interrogo autem inquantum possum super me effundere animam meam, ubi non sonantem et tamen docentem audiam te. Dic mihi, obsecro, quomodo vadis ad te? Numquidnam ut venires ad nos, reliqueras te: maxime quia non a teipso venisti, sed Pater te misit? Scio quidem quod te exinanisti; sed quia formam servi accepisti , non quia formam Dei vel ad quam redires demisisti, vel quam reciperes amisisti: et tamen venisti, et non solum usque ad carnales oculos, verum etiam usque ad manus hominum pervenisti. Quomodo, nisi in carne? Per hanc venisti manens ubi eras, per hanc redisti non relinquens quo veneras. Si ergo per hanc venisti et redisti; per hanc procul dubio non solum nobis es qua veniremus ad te, verum etiam tibi qua venires et redires, via fuisti. Cum vero ad vitam, quod es ipse, isti; eamdem profecto carnem tuam de morte ad vitam duxisti. Aliud quippe Dei Verbum est, aliud homo: sed Verbum caro factum est, id est homo. Non itaque alia Verbi, alia est hominis persona, quoniam utrumque est Christus una persona: ac per hoc quemadmodum caro cum mortua est, Christus est mortuus; et cum caro sepulta est, Christus est sepultus ; ita cum caro a morte venit ad vitam, Christus venit ad vitam. Et quia Verbum Dei Christus est, Christus est vita. Ita miro quodam et ineffabili modo, qui nunquam demisit vel amisit seipsum, venit ad seipsum. Venerat autem, ut dictum est, per carnem Deus ad homines, veritas ad mendaces: Deus enim verax, omnis autem homo mendax . Cum itaque ab hominibus abstulit, atque illuc ubi nemo mentitur, carnem suam levavit; idem ipse, quia Verbum caro factum est, per seipsum, id est per carnem, ad veritatem, quod est ipse, remeavit. Quam quidem veritatem, quamvis inter mendaces, et in morte servavit: aliquando enim Christus fuit mortuus, sed nunquam fuit falsus.
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4. Take an example, very different in character and wholly inadequate, yet in some lit tle measure helpful to the understanding of God, from things that are in peculiarly intimate subjection to God. See here in my own case, while as far as pertains to my mind I am just the same as yourselves, if I keep silence I am so to myself; but if I speak to you something suited to your understanding, in a certain sense I go forth to you without leaving myself, but at the same time approach you and yet quit not the place from which I proceed. But when I cease speaking, I return in a kind of way to myself, and in a kind of way I remain with you, if you retain what you have heard in the discourse I am delivering. And if the mere image that God made is capable of this, what may not God, the very image of God, not made by, but born of God; whose body, wherein He came forth to us and returned from us, has not ceased to be, like the sound of my voice, but abides there, where it shall die no more, and death shall have no more dominion over it? Much more, perhaps, might and ought to have been said on these words of the Gospel; but your souls ought not to be burdened with spiritual food, however pleasant, especially as the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Accipite quamvis diversum et longe impar exemplum, tamen utcumque ad intelligendum Deum, ex his quae propius subjecta sunt Deo. Ecce ego ipse, quantum attinet ad animum meum, cum hoc sim quod estis et vos, si taceo, apud meipsum sum: si autem loquor vobis quod intelligatis, quodammodo ad vos procedo, nec me relinquo, sed et ad vos accedo, et non recedo unde procedo. Cum autem tacuero, quodammodo ad me redeo; et quodammodo vobiscum maneo, si tenueritis quod audistis in sermone quem dico. Si hoc potest imago quam fecit Deus, quid potest non a Deo facta, sed ex Deo nata imago Dei Deus: cujus illud, quo ad nos egressus est, et in quo a nobis regressus est, corpus, non sicut meus elapsus est sonus, sed manet ibi ubi jam non moritur, et mors ei ultra non dominabitur ? Multa de his evangelicis verbis adhuc dici fortasse poterant et debebant: sed non sunt corda vestra spiritualibus cibis quamlibet suavibus oneranda; maxime quia spiritus promptus est, caro autem infirma .