The Seven Books of Arnobius Against the Heathen. (Adversus Gentes.) 7

Arnobio (255–327 d.C.) · Disputationes adversus gentes · PL 5, 718–1288

7.1 Chapter I PL 5, 1219

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1. Since it has been sufficiently shown, as far as there has been opportunity, how vain it is to form images, the course of our argument requires that we should next speak as briefly as possible, and without any periphrasis, about sacrifices, about the slaughter and immolation of victims, about pure wine, about incense, and about all the other things which are provided on such occasions. For with respect to this you have been in the habit of exciting against us the most violent ill-will, of calling us atheists, and inflicting upon us the punishment of death, even by savagely tearing us to pieces with wild beasts, on the ground that we pay very little respect to the gods; which, indeed, we admit that we do, not from contempt or scorn of the divine, but because we think that such powers require nothing of the kind, and are not possessed by desires for such things.

What, then, some one will say, do you think that no sacrifices at all should be offered? To answer you not with our own, but with your Varro’s opinion—none. Why so? Because, he says, the true gods neither wish nor demand these; while those which are made of copper, earthenware, gypsum, or marble, care much less for these things, for they have no feeling; and you are not blamed if you do not offer them, nor do you win favour if you do. No sounder opinion can be found, none truer, and one which any one may adopt, although he may be stupid and very hard to convince. For who is so obtuse as either to slay victims in sacrifice to those who have no sense, or to think that they should be given to those who are removed far from them in their nature and blessed state?

Quid ergo, dixerit quispiam, sacrificia censetis nulla esse omnino facienda? Ut vobis non nostra, sed Varronis vestri sententia respondeamus, nulla. Quid ita? Quia, inquit, dii veri neque desiderant ea, neque deposcunt: ex aere autem facti, testa, gypso, vel marmore multo minus haec curant; carent enim sensu: neque ulla contrahitur, si ea non feceris, culpa: neque ulla, si feceris, gratia. Sententia reperiri nulla potest integrior, verior, et quam quivis possit, quamvis ille sit scaevus et difficillimus, occupare. Quis est enim pectoris tam obtusi, qui aut rebus nullum habentibus sensum hostias caedat et victimas, aut eis existimet dandas, qui sunt ab his longe natura et beatitudine disjugati?

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2. Who are the true gods? you say. To answer you in common and simple language, we do not know; for how can we know who those are whom we have never seen? We have been accustomed to hear from you that an infinite number are gods, and are reckoned among the deities; but if these exist anywhere, and are true gods, as Terentius believes, it follows as a consequence, that they correspond to their name; that is, that they are such as we all see that they should be, and that they are worthy to be called by this name; nay, more,—to make an end without many words,—that they are such as is the Lord of the universe, and the King omnipotent Himself, whom we have knowledge and understanding enough to speak of as the true God when we are led to mention His name. For one god differs from another in nothing as respects his divinity; nor can that which is one in kind be less or more in its parts while its own qualities remain unchanged. Now, as this is certain, it follows that they should never have been begotten, but should be immortal, seeking nothing from without, and not drawing any earthly pleasures from the resources of matter.

Qui sunt, inquitis, dii veri? Ut communi vobis et simplici respondeamus verbo, non scimus. Quos enim vidimus numquam, qui sint, scire quemadmodum possumus? Ex vobis audire consuevimus, deos esse quam plurimos, et nominum in serie computari: qui si sunt, ut dicitis, uspiam, verique, ut Terentius credit, eos esse consequitur sui consimiles nominis, id est tales, quales eos universi debere esse conspicimus, et nominis hujus appellatione dicendos. Quinimmo, ut breviter finiam, qualis dominus rerum est, atque omnipotens ipse, quem dicere nos omnes Deum scimus atque intelligimus verum, cum ad ejus nominis accessimus mentionem. Deus enim ab altero in eo, quo Deus est, nulla in re differt: nec quod unum est genere, suis esse in partibus minus aut plus potest, qualitatis propriae uniformitate servata. Quod cum dubium non sit, sequitur, ut geniti numquam, perpetuique ut debeant esse, extrinsecus appetentes nihil, nec carpentes aliquas terrenas ex materiae opibus voluptates.

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3. So, then, if these things are so, we desire to learn this, first, from you—what is the cause, what the reason, that you offer them sacrifices; and then, what gain comes to the gods themselves from this, and remains to their advantage. For whatever is done should have a cause, and should not be disjoined from reason, so as to be lost among useless works, and tossed about among vain and idle uncertainties. Do the gods of heaven live on these sacrifices, and must materials be supplied to maintain the union of their parts? And what man is there so ignorant of what a god is, certainly, as to think that they are maintained by any kind of nourishment, and that it is the food given to them which causes them to live and endure throughout their endless immortality? For whatever is upheld by causes and things external to itself, must be mortal and on the way to destruction, when anything on which it lives begins to be wanting. Again, it is impossible to suppose that any one believes this, because we see that of these things which are brought to their altars, nothing is added to and reaches the substance of the deities; for either incense is given, and is lost melting on the coals, or the life only of the victim is offered to the gods, and its blood is licked up by dogs; or if any flesh is placed upon the altars, it is set on fire in like manner, and is destroyed, and falls into ashes,—unless perchance the god seizes upon the souls of the victims, or snuffs up eagerly the fumes and smoke which rise from the blazing altars, and feeds upon the odours which the burning flesh gives forth, still wet with blood, and damp with its former juices. But if a god, as is said, has no body, and cannot be touched at all, how is it possible that that which has no body should be nourished by things pertaining to the body,—that what is mortal should support what is immortal, and assist and give vitality to that which it cannot touch? This reason for sacrifices is not valid, therefore, as it seems; nor can it be said by any one that sacrifices are kept up for this reason, that the deities are nourished by them, and supported by feeding on them.

Ergo si haec ita sunt, primum illud a vobis expetimus noscere, quae sit causa, quae ratio, sacrificia ut ista faciatis: quid deinde ex hoc lucri ad deos ipsos perveniat, atque in eorum commoditate subsidat. Quidquid enim geritur, debet habere causam sui: neque ita esse ab ratione sejunctum, ut in operibus feratur cassis, et in vacuis ludat inanitatis erroribus. Numquid forte dii coelestes aluntur his sacris, et ad eorum compaginem retinendam nonnullius opus est suffectione materiae? Et quis ita est hominum, deus prorsus qui sit, ignorans, ut eos existimet contineri alicujus alimonii genere; et cibi esse munus; quod eos faciat vivere, et immensa in perpetuitate durare? Quidquid enim causis et rebus fulcitur extraneis necesse est esse mortale, et habere ad periculum viam pronam, ubi aliquid coeperit deesse, quo vivitur. Tum quod ex his rebus, quae admoventur altaribus, nihil videmus accedere, atque ad numinum substantias pervenire. Aut enim thus datur, et liquefactum carbonibus disperit: aut animalis est hostia, et ab canibus abliguritur sanguis: aut si aliquod viscus aris fuerit traditum, ratione ardescit pari, et dissolutum in cinerem labitur; nisi forte hostiarum deus animas devorat, aut ex aris ardentibus nidorem consectatur et fumos, pasciturque de cnissis, quas evomunt ardentia viscera, adhuc uda de sanguine, et prioribus humecta de succis. Sed si Deus, ut dicitur, nullius est corporis, omnique est incontiguus tactu, qui fieri potis est, ut corporalibus rebus nutriatur incorporeum, quod mortale est, ut immortale sustineat, subdatque salutem rei, quam contingere nequeat, et motus subministrare vitales? Cessat ergo, ut apparet, sacrorum haec ratio; neque dici a quopiam potis est, ea causa sacrificia celebrari, quod alantur his numina, et eorum sustineantur e pastu.

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4. If perchance it is not this, are victims not slain in sacrifice to the gods, and cast upon their flaming altars to give them some pleasure and delight? And can any man persuade himself that the gods become mild as they are exhilarated by pleasures, that they long for sensual enjoyment, and, like some base creatures, are affected by agreeable sensations, and charmed and tickled for the moment by a pleasantness which soon passes away? For that which is overcome by pleasure must be harassed by its opposite, sorrow; nor can that be free from the anxiety of grief, which trembles with joy, and is elated capriciously with gladness. But the gods should be free from both passions, if we would have them to be everlasting, and freed from the weakness of mortals. Moreover, every pleasure is, as it were, a kind of flattery of the body, and is addressed to the five well-known senses; but if the gods above feel it, they must partake also of those bodies through which there is a way to the senses, and a door by which to receive pleasures. Lastly, what pleasure is it to take delight in the slaughter of harmless creatures, to have the ears ringing often with their piteous bellowings, to see rivers of blood, the life fleeing away with the blood, and the secret parts having been laid open, not only the intestines to protrude with the excrements, but also the heart still bounding with the life left in it, and the trembling, palpitating veins in the viscera? We half-savage men, nay rather,—to say with more candour what it is truer and more candid to say,—we savages, whom unhappy necessity and bad habit have trained to take these as food, are sometimes moved with pity for them; we ourselves accuse and condemn ourselves when the thing is seen and looked into thoroughly, because, neglecting the law which is binding on men, we have broken through the bonds which naturally united us at the beginning. Will any one believe that the gods, who are kind, beneficent, gentle, are delighted and filled with joy by the slaughter of cattle, if ever they fall and expire pitiably before their altars? And there is no cause, then, for pleasure in sacrifices, as we see, nor is there a reason why they should be offered, since there is no pleasure afforded by them; and if perchance there is some, it has been shown that it cannot in any way belong to the gods.

Numquid, si forte hoc non est, voluptatis alicujus, animique, ut dicitur, causa, caeduntur diis hostiae, et succensis adjiciuntur altaribus? Et quisquam est hominum, qui deos sibi persuadeat voluptatum diffusione mollescere, gestire in libidinis gaudium, et velut animal vile blandis sensibus affici, et dulcedinis labilis volucri titillatione mulceri? Quod enim voluptate dissolvitur, id contraria necesse est tristitia contrahatur: nec immune existere ab anxietate moeroris, quod laetitia trepidat, et levitatibus extollitur gaudiorum. Utroque autem affectu debent esse dii liberi, si eos esse perpetuos, et mortalium volumus fragilitate privatos. Quid quod omnis voluptas quasi quaedam est adulatio corporis, notisque illis sensibus assumitur quinque: quam si superi sentiunt, et eorum necesse est esse participes corporum, per quae via est sensibus, et accipiendis voluptatibus janua. Postremo quod gaudium est, innoxiorum animantium mactatione laetari: miserabiles saepe exaudire mugitus, rivos sanguinis cernere, animas cum cruore fugientes, patefactisque secretis provolvi et intestina cum stercore, et ex residuo spiritu exultantia adhuc corda, tremebundasque palpitantes in visceribus venas? Semiferi nos homines, quinimo, potius ut pronuntiemus, quod est verius atque apertius dictu, feri, quos infelix necessitas, et malus usus edocuit cibos ex his carpere: miseratione interdum commovemur illorum: arguimus nos ipsi, penitusque re visa atque inspecta damnamus: quod, humanitatis jure deposito, naturalis initii consortia ruperimus. Deos aliquis credit pios, beneficos, mites, caede pecorum delectari, diffundique laetitia, si quando sub his concidunt, et spiritum miserabiliter ponunt? Et voluptatis, ut cernimus, nulla est in sacrificiis causa, nec cur fiant, ratio est: quoniam nec voluptas est ulla, ac si forte est aliqua, in deos eam cadere nulla posse ratione monstratum est.

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5. We have next to examine the argument which we hear continually coming from the lips of the common people, and find embedded in popular conviction, that sacrifices are offered to the gods of heaven for this purpose, that they may lay aside their anger and passions, and may be restored to a calm and placid tranquillity, the indignation of their fiery spirits being assuaged. And if we remember the definition which we should always bear steadily in mind, that all agitating feelings are unknown to the gods, the consequence is, a belief that the gods are never angry; nay, rather, that no passion is further from them than that which, approaching most nearly to the spirit of wild beasts and savage creatures, agitates those who suffer it with tempestuous feelings, and brings them into danger of destruction. For whatever is harassed by any kind of disturbance, is, it is clear, capable of suffering, and frail; that which has been subjected to suffering and frailty must be mortal; but anger harasses and destroys those who are subject to it: therefore that should be called mortal which has been made subject to the emotions of anger. But yet we know that the gods should be never-dying, and should possess an immortal nature; and if this is clear and certain, anger has been separated far from them and from their state. On no ground, then, is it fitting to wish to appease that in the gods above which you see cannot suit their blessed state.

Sequitur, ut illam quoque inspiciamus partem, quam jactari audimus vulgo, et populari in persuasione versari: sacrificia superis ea fieri diis causa, ut iras atque animos ponant, reddanturque mites et placidi, fervidorum pectorum indignatione sedata. At si definitionem teneamus illam, quam pertinaciter meminisse convenit nos semper, universos animorum affectus ignotos diis esse, consectaneum est credere, numquam deos irasci: quinimmo nullum affectum magis esse ab his longe, quam qui feris et belluis proximus, turbat tempestatibus patientes, et ad periculum interitionis inducit. Quidquid enim vexatur rei alicujus e motu, passibile esse constat et fragile: quod passioni fragilitatique subjectum est, id necesse est esse mortale: ira autem vexat, et patientes se solvit: ergo esse mortale dicendum est, quod passionibus subjectum est irae. At quin deos scimus esse oportere perpetuos, et naturam immortalitatis tenere: quod si constat, et liquidum est, ira ab his longe et ab eorum conditione disjuncta est. Nullis ergo rationibus convenit, id in superis velle placare, quod posse non videas in eorum beatitudinem convenire.

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6. But let us allow, as you wish, that the gods are accustomed to such disturbance, and that sacrifices are offered and sacred solemnities performed to calm it, when, then, is it fitting that these offices should be made use of, or at what time should they be given?—before they are angry and roused, or when they have been moved and displeased even? If we must meet them with sacrifices beforetheir anger is roused, lest they become enraged, you are bringing forward wild beasts to us, not gods, to which it is customary to toss food, upon which they may rage madly, and turn their desire to do harm, lest, having been roused, they should rage and burst the barriers of their dens. But if these sacrifices are offered to satisfy the gods when already fired and burning with rage, I do not inquire, I do not consider, whether that happy and sublime greatness of spirit which belongs to the deities is disturbed by the offences of little men, and wounded if a creature, blind and ever treading among clouds of ignorance, has committed any blunder,—said anything by which their dignity is impaired.

Sed concedamus, ut vultis, perturbationem hujusmodi familiarem diis esse, placandaeque ejus causa res divinas fieri, et sacrorum solemnia celebrari: quando ergo conveniat adhiberi haec munia, vel in tempore quo dari? antequam sunt irati et perciti? an cum fuerint moti, ipsisque in indignationibus constituti? Si, ne sumant animos, occurendum est his ante: feras nobis proponitis, non deos, quibus, ne saeviant concitatae, et cavearum discutiant claustra, objectari moris est escas, in quas rabidae saeviant, et cupidinem vexationis inclinent. Sin autem jam fervidis atque indignatione flagrantibus satisfactio ista sacrificiorum oggeritur: non inquiro, non exigo, an illa laeta et sublimis magnanimitas numinum, homunculorum offensione moveatur; habeatque pro vulnere si quid animal caecum, atque in nubibus semper ignorationis incedens, dissignaverit, dixerit, quo illorum minueretur auctoritas.

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7. But neither do I demand that this should be said, or that I should be told what causes the gods have for their anger against men, that having taken offence they must be soothed. I do ask, however, Did they ever ordain any laws for mortals? and was it ever settled by them what it was fitting for them to do, or what it was not? what they should pursue, what avoid; or even by what means they wished themselves to be worshipped, so that they might pursue with the vengeance of their wrath what was done otherwise than they had commanded, and might be disposed, if treated contemptuously, to avenge themselves on the presumptuous and transgressors? As I think, nothing was ever either settled or ordained by them, since neither have they been seen, nor has it been possible for it to be discerned very clearly whether there are any. What justice is there, then, in the gods of heaven being angry for any reason with those to whom they have neither deigned at any time to show that they existed, nor given nor imposed any laws which they wished to be honoured by them and perfectly observed?

Sed neque illud dici, aut audire deposco, quas irarum in homines habeant dii causas, ut sacrificiis debeant contracta offensione mulceri: numquid aliquas leges aliquando sanxere mortalibus, constitutumque est ab his umquam, quid eos agere conveniret, vel quid non: quid consectari, quid fugere, vel coli se saltem quibus rationibus cuperent, ut aliter, quam imperaverant gesta ultionibus persequerentur irarum; contemptique se vellent de audacibus et transgressoribus vindicare? Ut opinor, ab his numquam neque constitutum est aliquid, neque sanctum: quoniam nec visi aliquando, neque si sunt ulli, apertissima potuit cognitione dignosci. Quaenam est ergo justitia, ut eis ob aliquas causas irascantur dii coelites, quibus neque se esse monstrare aliquando dignati sunt, neque ullas dederint, aut imposuerint leges, quas coli ab his vellent, et inviolabili obsecutione servari?

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8. But this, as I said, I do not mention, but allow it to pass away in silence. This one thing I ask, above all, What reason is there if I kill a pig, that a god changes his state of mind, and lays aside his angry feelings and frenzy; that if I consume a pullet, a calf under his eyes and on his altars, he forgets the wrong which I did to him, and abandons completely all sense of displeasure? What passes from this act to modify his resentment? Or of what service is a goose, a goat, or a peacock, that from its blood relief is brought to the angry god? Do the gods, then, make insulting them a matter of payment? and as little boys, to induce them to give up their fits of passion and desist from their wailings, get little sparrows, dolls, ponies, puppets, with which they may be able to divert themselves, do the immortal gods in such wise receive these gifts from you, that for them they may lay aside their resentment, and be reconciled to those who offended them? And yet I thought that the gods—if only it is right to believe that they are really moved by anger—lay aside their anger and resentment, and forgive the sins of the guilty, without any price or reward. For this belongs specially to deities, to be generous in forgiving, and to seek no return for their gifts. But if this cannot be, it would be much wiser that they should continue obstinately offended, than that they should be softened by being corrupted with bribes. For the multitude increases of those who sin, when there is hope given of paying for their sin; and there is little hesitation to do wrong, when the favour of those who pardon offences may be bought.

Sed hoc, ut dixi, praetereo, et silentio patior abire donatum: unum illud prae omnibus quaero, quae causa est, ut si ego porcum occidero, deus mutet affectum, animosque et rabiem ponat: si gallinulam, vitulum, sub illius oculis atque altaribus concremaro, oblivionem inducat injuriae, et ab sensu penitus offensionis abscedat? Quid ad ejus dolorem ex opere hoc migrat, aut remedii cujus est anser, caper, aut pavus ut ex ejus cruore medicina adhibeatur irato? Ergone injurias suas dii vendunt, atque, ut parvuli pusiones, ut animis parcant, abstineantque ploratibus, passerculos, pupulos, equuleos, panes accipiunt, quibus avocare se possint: ita dii immortales placamenta ista sumunt, quibus iras atque animos ponant, et in gratiam suis cum offensoribus redeant? Atquin ego rebar deos, si modo rectum est credere, quod motibus exagitentur irarum, sine ullis praemiis, nullisque mercedibus, iras atque animos ponere, et peccatoribus delicta donare. Hoc est enim proprium numinum, liberales venias, et concessiones habere gratuitas. Quod si fieri non potest, sapientius multo est, pertinaciter eos in offensione durare, quam munerum corruptione mitescere. Crescit enim multitudo peccantium, cum redimendi peccati spes datur: et facile itur ad culpas, ubi est venalis ignoscentium gratia.

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9. So, if some ox, or any animal you please, which is slain to mitigate and appease the fury of the deities, were to take a man’s voice and speak these words: “Is this, then, O Jupiter, or whatever god thou art, humane or right, or should it be considered at all just, that when another has sinned I should be killed, and that you should allow satisfaction to be made to you with my blood, although I never did you wrong, never wittingly or unwittingly did violence to your divinity and majesty, being, as thou knowest, a dumb creature, not departing from the simplicity of my nature, nor inclined to be fickle in my manners? Did I ever celebrate your games with too little reverence and care? did I drag forward a dancer so that thy deity was offended? did I swear falsely by thee? did I sacrilegiously steal your property and plunder your temples? did I uproot the most sacred groves, or pollute and profane some hallowed places by founding private houses? What, then, is the reason that the crime of another is atoned for with my blood, and that my life and innocence are made to pay for wickedness with which I have nothing to do? Is it because I am a base creature, and am not possessed of reason and wisdom, as these declare who call themselves men, and by their ferocity make themselves beasts? Did not the same nature both beget and form me from the same beginnings? Is it not one breath of life which sways both them and me? Do I not respire and see, and am I not affected by the other senses just as they are? They have livers, lungs, hearts, intestines, bellies; and do not I have as many members? They love their young, and come together to beget children; and do not I both take care to procure offspring, and delight in it when it has been begotten? But they have reason, and utter articulate sounds; and how do they know whether I do what I do for my own reasons, and whether that sound which I give forth is my kind of words, and is understood by us alone? Ask piety whether it is more just that I should be slain, that I should be killed, or that man should be pardoned and be safe from punishment for what he has done? Who formed iron into a sword? was it not man? Who brought disaster upon races; who imposed slavery upon nations? was it not man? Who mixed deadly draughts, and gave them to his parents, brothers, wives, friends? was it not man? Who found out or devised so many forms of wickedness, that they can hardly be related in ten thousand chronicles of years, or even of days? was it not man? Is not this, then, cruel, monstrous, and savage? Does it not seem to you, O Jupiter, unjust and barbarous that I should be killed, that I should be slain, that you may be soothed, and the guilty find impunity? ”

It has been established that sacrifices are offered in vain for this purpose then, viz., that the angry deities may be soothed; since reason has taught us that the gods are not angry at any time, and that they do not wish one thing to be destroyed, to be slain for another, or offences against themselves to be annulled by the blood of an innocent creature.

Ecce si bos aliquis, aut quodlibet ex his animal, quod ad placandas caeditur mitigandasque numinum furias, vocem hominis sumat, eloquaturque his verbis: Ergone, o Jupiter, aut quis alius deus es, humanum est istud et rectum, aut aequitatis alicujus in aestimatione ponendum, ut cum alius peccaverit, ego occidar, et de meo sanguine fieri tibi patiaris satis, qui numquam te laeserim, numquam sciens aut nesciens tuum numen majestatemque violarim, animal, ut scis, mutum, naturae meae simplicitatem sequens, nec multiformium morum varietatibus lubricum? Numquid aliquando tuos ludos minus sancte diligenterque perfeci? numquid aliquem praesulem, tuum numen qui offenderet, ante te traduxi? numquid juravi per te falso? numquid sacrilegis furtis tua rapui, spoliavique donaria? numquid erui sacratissimos lucos, aut religiosa quaedam loca substructionibus pollui profanavique privatis? Qaenam est ergo causa, ut alienum crimen meo luatur e sanguine, et in nefas extraneum mea vita et innocentia perducatur? An quod animal vile sum, nec rationis, nec concilii particeps? quemadmodum pronunciant isti, qui se homines nominant, et ferocitate transiliunt belluas. Nonne primordiis iisdem eadem et me genuit informavitque natura? Nonne spiritus unus est, qui et illos et me regit? Non consimili ratione respiro, et video, et caeteris afficior sensibus? Habent jecora, pulmones, corda, intestina, ventriculos: et mihi membrorum non idem est numerus attributus? Amant suos foetus, et gignendis conveniunt liberis: non et mihi prolis, et subrogandae est cura, et dulcedo, cum fuerit procreata? Sed rationales illi sunt, et articulatas expromunt voces: et unde illis notum est, an et ego, quod facio, meis rationibus faciam, et vox ista, quam promo, mei generis verba sint, et solis intelligantur a nobis? Interroga pietatem, utrumne sit aequius me occidi, me confici, an hominem venia, et commissorum impunitate donari? Quis in gladium formavit ferrum? non homo? Quis cladem gentibus, quis nationibus imposuit servitutem? non homo? Quis parentibus, fratribus, quis uxoribus, quis amicis mortiferas subdidit, commiscuitque potiones? non homo? Quis maleficia reperit, aut commentatus est tanta, quanta vix explicari decem millibus queant vel annalium, vel dierum? non homo? Ita istud non ferum, non immane, non saevum est? non tibi, o Jupiter, injustum videtur et barbarum, me occidi, me caedi, ut fias tu placidus, et ut scelerosis contingat impunitas? Ergo ob hanc causam, id est, numina ut placentur irata, inaniter fieri sacrificia constitit, cum docuerit nos ratio neque deos irasci aliquando, neque alterum velle pro altero confici, caedi, nec innoxii sanguine abolitionem dissignationibus comparari.

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10. But perhaps some one will say, We give to the gods sacrifices and other gifts, that, being made willing in a measure to grant our prayers, they may give us prosperity and avert from us evil, cause us to live always happily, drive away grief truly, and any evils which threaten us from accidental circumstances. This point demands great care; nor is it usual either to hear or to believe what is so easily said. For the whole company of the learned will straightway swoop upon us, who, asserting and proving that whatever happens, happens according to the decrees of fate, snatch out of our hands that opinion, and assert that we are putting our trust in vain beliefs. Whatever, they will say, has been done in the world, is being done, and shall be done, has been settled and fixed in time past, and has causes which cannot be moved, by means of which events have been linked together, and form an unassailable chain of unalterable necessity between the past and the future. If it has been determined and fixed what evil or good should befall each person, it is already certain; but if this is certain and fixed, there is no room for all the help given by the gods, their hatred, and favours. For they are just as unable to do for you that which cannot be done, as to prevent that from being done which must happen, except that they will be able, if they choose, to depreciate somewhat powerfully that belief which you entertain, so that they say that even the gods themselves are worshipped by you in vain, and that the supplications with which you address them are superfluous. For as they are unable to turn aside the course of events, and change what has been appointed by fate, what reason, what cause, is there to wish to weary and deafen the ears of those in whose help you cannot trust at your utmost need?

Sed fortasse aliquis dicet: idcirco diis hostias, et caetera impendimus munera, ut familiares quodammodo nostris supplicationibus facti, res tribuant prosperas, avertantque a nobis mala, cum gaudiis faciant agere nos semper, tristitias vero propellant, et ex casibus imminentia fortuitis. Non exiguam curam locus iste desiderat, nec quod dicitur facile, tam consuetum est vel audiri, vel credi. Advolabit enim continuo universus ille doctissimorum chorus, qui asseverans et comprobans, fato fieri quaecumque fiunt: eripiat vobis e manibus opinionem istam, et inanibus vos urgeat persuasionibus fidere. Quidquid in mundo, inquiet, gestum est, geritur, et geretur, olim definitum et fixum est; habetque immobiles causas, per quas sibi res nexae inexpugnabilem conserant praeteritorum cum imminentibus necessitatem. Si definitum et fixum est, quid obtingere singulis mali debeat bonive, jam certum est. Quod si certum est et fixum, vacant omnia deorum auxilia, vacant odia, vacant benignitates. Tam enim praestare non possunt, id quod non postest fieri, quam prohibere, ne fiat id quod necesse est evenire: nisi quod validius premere opinionem istam si voluerint, quibunt: ut etiam ipsos deos frustra dicant a vobis coli, et supervacaneis supplicationibus adorari. Cum enim ordinem vertere, et fatalia nequeant constituta mutare, quid rei, quid causae est fatigare, et obtundere eorum aures velle, quorum auxiliis nequeas supremis in necessitatibus fidere?

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11. Lastly, if the gods drive away sorrow and grief, if they bestow joy and pleasure, how are there in the world so many and so wretched men, whence come so many unhappy ones, who lead a life of tears in the meanest condition? Why are not those free from calamity who every moment, every instant, load and heap up the altars with sacrifices? Do we not see that some of them, say the learned, are the seats of diseases, the light of their eves quenched, and their ears stopped, that they cannot move with their feet, that they live mere trunks without the use of their hands, that they are swallowed up, overwhelmed, and destroyed by conflagrations, shipwrecks, and disasters; that, having been stripped of immense fortunes, they support themselves by labouring for hire, and beg for alms at last; that they are exiled, proscribed, always in the midst of sorrow, overcome by the loss of children, and harassed by other misfortunes, the kinds and forms of which no enumeration can comprehend? But assuredly this would not occur if the gods, who had been laid under obligation, were able to ward off, to turn aside, those evils from those who merited this favour. But now, because in these mishaps there is no room for the interference of the gods, but all things are brought about by inevitable necessity, the appointed course of events goes on and accomplishes that which has been once determined.

Postremo si tristia atque importuna dii pellunt: si ea, quae sunt laeta atque amica, largiuntur: unde sunt mundo tanti, tamque innumerabiles miseri? unde tot infelices lacrymabilem vitam in extrema sorte ducentes? cur immunes a calamitatibus non sunt, qui momenta per singula, qui per puncta sacrificiis onerant atque accumulant aras? Nonne alios, inquiunt, videmus ex illis domicilia esse morborum; extinctis luminibus, atque auribus obseratis, pedum carere processu, truncos sine manibus degere, incendiis, naufragiis, et ruinis mergi, obrui, confici: patrimoniis ab ingentibus evolutos mercenario sese labore fulcire: stipes emendicare supremas, exterminari, proscribi, semper esse in luctibus liberorum orbitatibus fractos: vexari per infortunia caetera, quorum species et formas nulla potest enumeratio definire? Quod utique non fieret, si propulsare, si flectere mala ista dii possent sacrorum meritis obligati. Nunc vero quia casibus nullus est in his locus, sed ineluctabili omnia necessitate confiunt, agit sese ordo praescriptus, et quod semel decretum est, perficit.

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12. Or the gods of heaven should be said to be ungrateful if, while they have power to prevent it, they suffer an unhappy race to be involved in so many hardships and disasters. But perhaps they may say something of importance in answer to this, and not such as should be received by deceitful, fickle, and scornful ears. This point, however, because it would require too tedious and prolix discussion, we hurry past unexplained and untouched, content to have stated this alone, that you give to your gods dishonourable reputations if you assert that on no other condition do they bestow blessings and turn away what is injurious, except they have been first bought over with the blood of she-goats and sheep, and with the other things which are put upon their altars. For it is not fitting, in the first place, that the power of the deities and the surpassing eminence of the celestials should be believed to keep their favours on sale, first to receive a price, and then to bestow them; and then, which is much more unseemly, that they aid no one unless they receive their demands, and that they suffer the most wretched to undergo whatever perils may befall them, while they could ward these off, and come to their aid. If of two who are sacrificing, one is a scoundrel, and rich, the other of small fortune, but worthy of praise for his integrity and goodness,—if the former should slay a hundred oxen, and as many ewes with their lambkins, the poor man burn a little incense, and a small piece of some odorous substance,—will it not follow that it should be believed that, if only the deities bestow nothing except when rewards are first offered, they will give their favour to the rich man, turn their eyes away from the poor, whose gifts were restricted not by his spirit, but by the scantiness of his means? For where the giver is venal and mercenary, there it must needs be that favour is granted according to the greatness of the gift by which it is purchased, and that a favourable decision is given to him from whom far the greater reward and bribe, though this be shameful, flows to him who gives it. What if two nations, on the other hand, arrayed against each other in war, enriched the altars of the gods with equal sacrifices, and were to demand that their power and help should be given to them, the one against the other: must it not, again, be believed that, if they are persuaded to be of service by rewards, they are at a loss between both sides, are struck motionless, and do not perceive what to do, since they understand that their favour has been pledged by the acceptance of the sacrifices? For either they will give assistance to this side and to that, which is impossible, for in that case they will fight themselves against themselves, strive against their own favour and wishes; or they will do nothing to aid either nation after the price of their aid has been paid and received, which is very wicked. All this infamy, therefore, should be removed far from the gods; nor should it be said at all that they are won over by rewards and payments to confer blessings, and remove what is disagreeable, if only they are true gods, and worthy to be ranked under this name. For either whatever happens, happens inevitably, and there is no place in the gods for ambition and favour; or if fate is excluded and got rid of, it does not belong to the celestial dignity to sell the boon of its services, and the conferring of its bounties.

Aut ingrati esse dicendi sunt coelites, si cum habeant jura prohibendi, patiuntur infelix genus tot poenis et calamitatibus implicari. Et fortasse aliquid dicant magnum, nec quod auribus debeat frustratoriis, levibus, et contemnentibus sumi. Quas tamen nos partes, quia res nimium longi est multique sermonis, inexplicatas transcurrimus atque intactas: solum illud posuisse contenti, inhonestas vos famas adjungere diis vestris, si eos aliter negatis praestare quae bona sunt, atque inimica transvertere, nisi prius empti capellarum fuerint atque ovium sanguine, et caeteris quae admoventur altaribus. Indignum enim primum est, ut illa vis numinum sublimitasque coelestium beneficia credatur sua habere venalia, prius sumere, atque ita praestare. Tum, quod foedius multo est, nisi acceperint, prodesse nulli, perpetique miserrimos discriminum subire fortunas, cum prohibere possint ac subvenire. Si ex duobus facientibus res sacras honestus unus et locuples, alter angusto lare, sed innocentia fuerit et probitate laudabilis: centum ille caedat boves, totidemque cum agniculis suis matres, thus pauper exiguum, et odoris alicujus unam concremet glebulam: nonne erit consequens, ut debeat credi, si modo nihil numina, nisi praemiis antecedentibus praestant, ut favorem suum et auxilium commodent locupleti, avertant a pauperculo lumina, quem restrictum non animus, sed familiaris rei necessitas fecit? Ubi enim venalis et mercenarius dator est, ibi necesse est gratiam pro magnitudine muneris tribui, et eo inclinare suffragium, unde ad eum, qui praestat, mercedis plus multo, et indecorae corruptionis affluxerit. Quid si populi rursus duo hostilibus dissidentes armis, sacrificiis paribus superorum locupletaverint aras, alterque in alterum postulent vires sibi atque auxilium commodari: nonne iterum necesse est credi, si praemiis sollicitentur, ut prosint, eos partes inter utrasque haesitare, defigi, nec reperire quid faciant, cum suas intelligant gratias sacrorum acceptionibus obligatas? Aut enim auxilia hinc et inde praestabunt, id quod fieri non potest: pugnabunt enim contra ipsos se ipsi, contra suas gratias, voluntatesque nitentur: aut ambobus populis opem subministrare cessabunt, id quod sceleris magni est, post impensam acceptamque mercedem. Itaque ergo ab diis longe infamia est ista tota pellenda: neque est omnino dicendum, praemiis eos ac mercedibus allici, bonas ut res conferant, dimoveantque contrarias, si modo dii veri sunt, atque in nominis hujus exceptione ponendi. Aut enim fato fiunt, quaecumque fiunt, et ambitionis et gratiae nullus locus in diis est: aut si excluditur et ejicitur fatum, non est superae dignitatis, boni operis favorem et collatas munificentias venditare.

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13. We have shown sufficiently, as I suppose, that victims, and the things which go along with them, are offered in vain to the immortal gods, because they are neither nourished by them, nor feel any pleasure, nor lay aside their anger and resentment, so as either to give good fortune, or to drive away and avert the opposite. We have now to examine that point also which has been usually asserted by some, and applied to forms of ceremony. For they say that these sacred rites were instituted to do honour to the gods of heaven, and that these things which they do, they do to show them honour, and to magnify the powers of the deities by them. What if they were to say, in like manner, that they keep awake and sleep, walk about, stand still, write something, and read, to give honour to the gods, and make them more glorious in majesty? For what substance is there added to them from the blood of cattle, and from the other things which are prepared in sacrificing? what power is given and added to them? For all honour, which is said to be offered by any one, and to be yielded to reverence for a greater being, is of a kind having reference to the other; and consists of two parts, of the concession of the giver, and the increase of honour of the receiver. As, if any one, on seeing a man famed for his very great power and authority, were to make way for him, to stand up, to uncover his head, and leap down from his carriage, then, bending forward to salute him with slavish servility and trembling agitation, I see what is aimed at in showing such respect: by the bowing down of the one, very great honour is given to the other, and he is made to appear great whom the respect of an inferior exalts and places above his own rank.

Satis, ut opinor, ostendimus, frustra diis immortalibus hostias rebus cum consequentibus admoveri: quod neque alantur his, neque ullam percipiant voluptatem, neque iras aut animos ponant, neque ut res tribuant faustas, neque ut abigant averruncentque contrarias. Sequitur, ut illam quoque inspiciamus partem, quae ab nonnullis consueta est asseri, et causis cerimonialibus applicari. Aiunt enim sacra haec honorandis esse instituta coelestibus, et ea, quod faciant, honoris ergo facere, et his numinum potentias auctitare. Quid si similiter dicant evigilare sese, atque dormire, deambulare, subsistere, conscribere aliquid et lectitare, ut honorem diis habeant, et dignitatibus eos faciant ampliores? Quid enim cruore de pecorum? Quid sacrorum confectione de caetera superadditur his rei? quid apponitur atque adjicitur potestatis? Etenim honos omnis, qui haberi ab aliquo dicitur, et reverentiae potioris attribui, relativi est ad alterum generis, et constans partibus duabus, ex concessione tribuentis, et amplificatione sumentis. Ut si quispiam viso potentissimi nominis atque auctoritatis viro, via decedat, assurgat, caput revelet, vehiculoque desiliat: tum deinde salutet acclinis: ancillatum servuli pavibunda trepidatione imitatus: video, quid agatur in hujusmodi venerationis officio: summissione alterius datur alteri plurimum: efficiturque, ut videatur magnus, quem suspectio minoris extulerit, et suis anteposuerit rebus.

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14. But all this conceding and ascribing of honour about which we are speaking are met with among men alone, whom their natural weakness and love of standing above their fellows teach to delight in arrogance, and in being preferred above others. But, I ask, where is there room for honour among the gods, or what greater exaltation is found to be given to them by piling up sacrifices? Do they become more venerable, more powerful, when cattle are sacrificed to them? is there anything added to them from this? or do they begin to be more truly gods, their divinity being increased? And yet I consider it almost an insult, nay, an insult altogether, when it is said that a god is honoured by a man, and exalted by the offering of some gift. For if honour increases and augments the grandeur of him to whom it is given, it follows that a deity becomes greater by means of the man from whom he has received the gift, and the honour conferred on him; and thus the matter is brought to this issue, that the god who is exalted by human honours is the inferior, while, on the other hand, the man who increases the power of a deity is his superior.

Sed concessio haec omnis, et honoris, de qua loquimur, attributio, solis habet in hominibus sedem: quos naturalis infirmitas, et amor in altioribus standi docet gaudere de fastibus, et aliorum comparationibus anteponi. At quaero, in superis ubi est honoris locus, vel quas eis eminentias accedere sacrorum ex confectionibus invenitur? Augustiores, potentiores mactatis pecudibus fiunt: additur illis ex hoc quidquam, aut esse dii magis divinitate incipiunt ampliata? Atqui ego contumeliae proximum, quinimmo esse plenam contumeliam judico, cum honorari ab homine deus dicitur, et muneris alicujus oblatione mactari. Etenim si honos auget, ejusque accumulat dignitatem, cui fuerit attributus, sequitur, ut auctior deus fiat ab homine, a quo fuerit munere et honoris collatione donatus: atque ita perducitur res eo, ut inferior deus sit, qui honoribus mactatur humanis; homo vero sublimior, qui auget potentiam numinis.

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15. What then! some one will say, do you think that no honour should be given to the gods at all? If you propose to us gods such as they should be if they do exist, and such as we feel that we all mean when we mention that name, how can we but give them even the greatest honour, since we have been taught by the commands which have especial power over us, to pay honour to all men even, of whatever rank, of whatever condition they may be? What, pray, you ask, is this very great honour? One much more in accordance with duty than is paid by you, and directed to a more powerful race, we reply. Tell, us, you say, in the first place, what is an opinion worthy of the gods, right and honourable, and not blameworthy from its being made unseemly by something infamous? We reply, one such that you believe that they neither have any likeness to man, nor look for anything which is outside of them and comes from without; then—and this has been said pretty frequently—that they do not burn with the fires of anger, that they do not give themselves up passionately to sensual pleasure, that they are not bribed to be of service, that they are not tempted to injure our enemies, that they do not sell their kindness and favour, that they do not rejoice in having honour heaped on them, that they are not indignant and vexed if it is not given; but—and this belongs to the divine—that by their own power they know themselves, and that they do not rate themselves by the obsequiousness of others. And yet, that we may see the nature of what is said, what kind of honour is this, to bind a wether, a ram, a bull before the face of a god, and slay them in his sight? What kind of honour is it to invite a god to a banquet of blood, which you see him take and share in with dogs? What kind of honour is it, having set on fire piles of wood, to hide the heavens with smoke, and darken with gloomy blackness the images of the gods? But if it seems good to you that these actions should be considered in themselves, not judged of according to your prejudices, you will find that those altars of which you speak, and even those beautiful ones which you dedicate to the superior gods, are places for burning the unhappy race of animals, funeral pyres, and mounds built for a most unseemly office, and formed to be filled with corruption.

Quid ergo, inquiet aliquis, honorem diis dandum nullum esse omnino censetis? Si deos nobis proponitis tales, quales, si sunt, debent esse, quosque dicere nos omnes in istius nominis praedicatione sentimus, quemadmodum possumus honorem his non habere vel maximum; cum etiam colere homines potentioribus acceperimus imperiis, cujuscunque ordinis fuerint, cujuscumque fortunae? Quisnam iste est maximus? Officiosior multo, quam habetur a vobis, et potentiore in genere constitutus. Dicite, inquitis, quae sit opinio de diis digna, recta, et honesta, nec turpitudinis alicujus deformitate culpabilis. Primum ut neque illos credas quidquam hominis habere consimile, nec quidquam expectare, quod sit ab se foris, atque extrinsecus veniens: tum quod saepius dictum est, non ardescere irarum flammis, non gestire corporea voluptate, non exambiri ut prosint, non praemiis ne noceant proritari, benignitatem et gratiam non habere venalem, non gaudere honore collato, non indignari et affici non dato; sed, quod rei divinae est proprium, sua se vi nosse, nec se alienis adulationibus aestimare. Et tamen, ut videamus istud, quod dicitur, quale sit, quod est istud honoris genus, vervecem, arietem, taurum dei sub ore connectere conspectuque in ejus occidere? Quod est honoris genus, deum invitare ad sanguinem, quem cum canibus videas eum sumere, atque habere communem? Quod est honoris genus, lignorum struicibus incensis coelum fumo subtexere, et effigies numinum nigrore offuscare ferali? Quod si ea, quae fiunt, propria vi pendere, non ante sumptis placet aestimationibus aestimare, arae istae, quas dicitis, altariaque haec pulchra infelicissimi animalium generis ustrinae, rogi sunt, et busticeta in opus structa foedissimum, atque in sedem fabricata foetorum.

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16. What say you, O you—! is that foul smell, then, which is given forth and emitted by burning hides, by bones, by bristles, by the fleeces of lambs, and the feathers of fowls,—is that a favour and an honour to the deity? and are the deities honoured by this, to whose temples, when you arrange to go, you come cleansed from all pollution, washed, and perfectly pure? And what can be more polluted than these, more unhappy, more debased, than if their senses are naturally such that they are fond of what is so cruel, and take delight in foul smells which, when inhaled with the breath, even those who sacrifice cannot bear, and certainly not a delicate nose? But if you think that the gods of heaven are honoured by the blood of living creatures being offered to them, why do you not sacrifice to them both mules, and elephants, and asses? why not dogs also, bears, and foxes, camels, and hyænas, and lions? And as birds also are counted victims by you, why do you not sacrifice vultures, eagles, storks, falcons, hawks, ravens, sparrow-hawks, owls, and, along with them, salamanders, water-snakes, vipers, tarantulæ? For indeed there is both blood in these, and they are in like manner moved by the breath of life. What is there more artistic in the former kind of sacrifices, or less ingenious in the latter, that these do not add to and increase the grandeur of the gods? Because, says my opponent, it is right to honour the gods of heaven with those things by which we are ourselves nourished and sustained, and live; which also they have, in their divine benevolence, deigned to give to us for food. But the same gods have given to you both cumin, cress, turnips, onions, parsley, esculent thistles, radishes, gourds, rue, mint, basil, flea-bane, and chives, and commanded them to be used by you as part of your food; why, then, do you not put these too upon the altars, and scatter wild-marjoram, with which oxen are fed, over them all, and mix amongst them onions with their pungent flavour?

Quid dicitis, o isti! ergone ille putor, qui ex coriis tollitur atque expirat ardentibus, qui ex ossibus, qui ex setis, ex agnorum lanitiis, gallinarumque de plumis, dei munus et honor est? mactaturque hoc illis, quorum templa cum adire disponitis, ab omni vos labe puros, lautos, castissimosque praestatis? Et quid esse his potest coinquinatius, infelicius, spurcius, quam si ita facti sunt sensus sui natura, ut in amoribus habeant tam saeva, sintque illis in voluptate putores: quos neque ipsi sacrificantes ferre, nec ingenuae sustinere tractos valeant per spiritum nares? Quod si animantium cruore honorari, et affici superiorum animos existimatis, cur non eis et mulos, et elephantos mactatis, et asinos? cur non et canes, ursos, et vulpes, et camelos, et belbas, et leones? et quoniam volucres bestiarum quoque in numeris ponitis, cur non vulturios, aquilas, ciconias, immussulos, buteones, corvos, accipitres, noctuas, cumque illis salamandras, natrices, viperas, solifugas? Nempe subest et his sanguis, et consimili ratione vitali agitantur spiritu? Quid in illis majoris est operis, aut solertiae in his minus, ut ista non augeant, superorum illa amplificent dignitatem? Quia rebus ex his, inquit, par est honorare coelestes, quibus ipsi alimur, sustentamur, et vivimus, et quas nobis ad victum sui numinis tribuere benignitate dignati sunt. Sed et cuminum, nasturtium, rapa, bulbos, apium, carduos, radices, cucurbitas, rutam, mentam, ocimum, pulejum, porrumque sectivum, iidem tribuere dii vobis, esseque in usibus vestris alimoniarum in parte jusserunt. Quid ergo cessatis altaribus et haec dare, rebusque his omnibus cunilam superspergere bubulam, et acrimonias intermiscere ceparum?

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17. Lo, if dogs—for a case must be imagined, in order that things may be seen more clearly—if dogs, I say, and asses, and along with them water-wagtails, if the twittering swallows, and pigs also, having acquired some of the feelings of men, were to think and suppose that you were gods, and to propose to offer sacrifices in your honour, not of other things and substances, but of those with which they are wont to be nourished and supported, according to their natural inclination,—we ask you to say whether you would consider this an honour, or rather a most outrageous affront, when the swallows slew and consecrated flies to you, the water-wagtails ants; when the asses put hay upon your altars, and poured out libations of chaff; when the dogs placed bones, and burned human excrements at your shrines; when, lastly, the pigs poured out before you a horrid mess, taken from their frightful hog-pools and filthy maws? Would you not in this case, then, be inflamed with rage that your greatness was treated with contumely, and account it an atrocious wrong that you were greeted with filth? But, you reply, you honour the gods with the carcasses of bulls, and by slaying other living creatures. And in what respect does this differ from that, since these sacrifices, also, if they are not yet, will nevertheless soon be, dung, and will become rotten after a very short time has passed? Finally, cease to place fire upon your altars, then indeed you will see that consecrated flesh of bulls, with which you magnify the honour of the gods, swelling and heaving with worms, tainting and corrupting the atmosphere, and infecting the neighbouring districts with unwholesome smells. Now, if the gods were to enjoin you to turn these things to your own account, to make your meals from them in the usual way; you would flee to a distance, and, execrating the smell, would beg pardon from the gods, and bind yourselves by oath never again to offer such sacrifices to them. Is not this conduct of yours mockery, then? is it not to confess, to make known that you do not know what a deity is, nor to what power the meaning and title of this name should be given and applied? Do you give new dignity to the gods by new kinds of food? do you honour them with savours and juices, and because those things which nourish you are pleasing and grateful to you? do you believe that the gods also flock up to enjoy their pleasant taste, and, just as barking dogs, lay aside their fierceness for mouthfuls, and pretty often fawn upon those who hold these out?

Ecce si vos canes, necesse est enim quaedam fingi, perspici ut liquidius res possint, si, inquam, canes et asini, si motacillae cum his simul, si hirundines garrulae, pariterque cum his porci sensu aliquo humanitatis accepto, deos putarent atque existimarent vos esse: sacraque vobis intenderent honoris ergo facere, non ex materiis aliis, aliisque de rebus, sed quibus ali moris est illis, et naturali appositione fulciri: audire a vobis exposcimus, utrumne hunc honorem, an contumeliam potius esse judicaretis amplissimam: cum hirundines vobis muscas, motacillae caederent consecrarentque formiculas: cum altaribus vestris darent asini foenum, paleasque libarent: cum imponerent canes ossa, et humani stercoris proluviem concremarent: cum ad ultimum porculi coenum vobis profunderent ex volutabris horrentibus, lutosis et voraginibus sumptum? Ita ergo non despui vestras inflammaremini dignitates, stercoribusque vos accipi inter atroces computaretis injurias? Sed taurorum corporibus honoratis vos deos, et aliorum animantium caedibus: et quid hoc ab illo differt, cum et ipsa si nondum, mox tamen futura sunt stercora, et exigui temporis contracta interjectione putescant? Denique desinite supponere aris ignem, jam profecto cernetis viscera illa taurorum sacra, quibus honor a vobis auctificatur deorum, fervescere vermibus et fluctuare, vitiare et corrumpere statum coeli, et ex odoribus morbidis regiones consauciare vicinas: quae si vobis praecipiant dii curam in vestram, in valetudinem vertere; prandia inde, vel coenas solemni ex more conficere, longe fugiatis, execratique odoris genus veniam poscatis a superis, facturosque vos eis numquam talia sacra juretis. Ita istud non ludere est, non confiteri, non pandere, quid sit deus nescire, nec cui potentiae debeat nominis hujus vis subdi, appellatioque supponi? Cibis novis auctificatis deos, nidoribus cohonestatis et succis: et quia vobis jucunda et grata sunt ea, quae vos alunt, deos etiam creditis in eorum affluere voluptates, latratorum et canum ritu ossis saevitias ponere, atque alludere porrigentibus saepius?

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18. And as we are now speaking of the animals sacrificed, what cause, what reason is there, that while the immortal gods—for, so far as we are concerned, they may all be gods who are believed to be so—are of one mind, or should be of one nature, kind, and character, all are not appeased with all the victims, but certain deities with certain animals, according to the sacrificial laws? For what cause is there, to repeat the same question, that that deity should be honoured with bulls, another with kids or sheep, this one with sucking pigs, the other with unshorn lambs, this one with virgin heifers, that one with horned goats, this with barren cows, but that with teeming swine, this with white, that with dusky victims, one with female, the other, on the contrary, with male animals? For if victims are slain in sacrifice to the gods, to do them honour and show reverence for them, what does it matter, or what difference is there with the life of what animal this debt is paid, their anger and resentment put away? Or is the blood of one victim less grateful and pleasing to one god, while the other’s fills him with pleasure and joy? or, as is usually done, does that deity abstain from the flesh of goats because of some reverential and religious scruple, another turn with disgust from pork, while to this mutton stinks? and does this one avoid tough ox-beef that he may not overtax his weak stomach, and choose tender sucklings that he may digest them more speedily?

Et quoniam nobis in manibus hostiarum sermo versatur: quae causa, quae ratio est, ut cum dii immortales, sint enim et per nos licet, quicumque esse creduntur, sint unius sententiae, vel unius debeant esse naturae, generis, et qualitatis unius, non omnibus omnes hostiis, sed quibusdam quidam sacrorum mulceantur legibus? Quae est enim causa, requiram, ut eadem rursus ut ille tauris deus, haedis alius honoretur, aut ovibus: hic lactentibus porculis, alter intonsis agnis: hic virginibus buculis, capris ille cornutis: hic sterilibus vacculis, at ille incientibus scrofis: hic albentibus, ille tetris, alter feminei generis, alter vero animantibus masculinis? Si enim honoris et reverentiae causa mactantur diis hostiae, quid refert aut interest, cujus animalis e capite luatur hoc debitum, cujus ira offensioque ponatur? An numquid alterius alteri minus gratior et jucundior sanguis est? alter vero alterius voluptatem infundit et gaudium? aut, ut fieri moris est, observationis alicujus et religionis metu ille caprina abstinet se earne, porcinum alius execratur attactum, huic ovilia foetulenta sunt viscera; ac, ne stomachum fatiget invalidum, hic bubulam duritiem vitat, et lactentium lenitatem, quo digerat expeditius, sumit?

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19. But you err, says my opponent, and fall into mistakes; for in sacrificing female victims to the female deities, males to the male deities, there is a hidden and very secret reason, and one beyond the reach of the mass. I do not inquire, I do not demand, what the sacrificial laws teach or contain; but if reason has demonstrated, and truth declared, that among the gods there is no difference of species, and that they are not distinguished by any sexes, must not all these reasonings be set at nought, and be proved, be found to have been believed under the most foolish hallucinations? I will not bring forward the opinions of wise men, who cannot restrain their laughter when they hear distinctions of sex attributed to the immortal gods: I ask of each man whether he himself believes in his own mind, and persuades himself that the race of the gods is so distinguished that they are male and female, and have been formed with members arranged suitably for the begetting of young?

But if the laws of the sacrifices enjoin that like sexes should be sacrificed to like, that is, female victims to the female gods, male victims, on the contrary, to the male gods, what relation is there in the colours, so that it is right and fitting that to these white, to those dark, even the blackest victims are slain? Because, says my opponent, to the gods above, and those who have power to give favourable omens, the cheerful colour is acceptable and propitious from the pleasant appearance of pure white; while, on the contrary, to the sinister deities, and those who inhabit the infernal seats, a dusky colour is more pleasing, and one tinged with gloomy hues. But if, again, the reasoning holds good, that the infernal regions are an utterly vain and empty name, and that underneath the earth there are no Plutonian realms and abodes, this, too, must nullify your ideas about black cattle and gods under the ground. Because, if there are no infernal regions, of necessity there are no dii Manium also. For how is it possible that, while there are no regions, there should be said to be any who inhabit them?

Sed erras, inquit, et laberis: nam diis feminis feminas, mares maribus hostias immolare, abstrusa et interior ratio est, vulgique a cognitione dimota. Non inquiro, non exigo, quid sacrorum praecipiant, vel quid contineant leges; sed si vicerit ratio, atque obtinuerit veritas, differentiam generum nullam in diis esse, neque ullis sexibus eos esse discretos: nonne solvi necesse est rationes has omnes, et stultissimis creditas opinationibus comprobari, inveniri? Sapientium virorum non advocabo sententias, qui risum nequeunt continere, cum discrimina sexuum diis audiunt immortalibus attributa: unoquoque ab hominum quaero, an ipse apud se credat, sibique ipse persuadeat, distinctum esse deorum genus, mares ac feminas hos esse, et ad generandos foetus convenientium membrorum dispositione formatos? Sed si sexibus sexus pares, id est feminas feminis, mares autem hostias diis maribus immolari sacrificiorum jura praescribant: quae in coloribus ratio est, ut merito his albas, illis tetras conveniat nigerrimasque mactari? Quia superis diis, inquit, atque ominum dexteritate pollentibus color laetus acceptus est, ac felix hilaritate candoris. At vero diis laevis, sedesque habitantibus inferas color furvus est gratior, et tristibus suffectus e fucis. Sed si rursus obtinuerit ratio, inferorum penitus cassum esse nomen et vacuum, neque ulla sub terris regna esse domiciliaque Plutonia, opinionem necesse est id quoque frustrari, quam super atris pecudibus habetis, divisque subterreis. Quod si inferi nulli sunt, deos etiam Manium necesse est esse nullos. Fieri enim qui potest, ut cum loca sint nulla, eorum, quae non sunt, ulli perhibeantur esse cultores?

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20. But let us agree, as you wish, that there are both infernal regions and Manes, and that some gods or other dwell in these by no means favourable to men, and presiding over misfortunes; and what cause, what reason is there, that black victims, even of the darkest hue, should be brought to their altars? Because dark things suit dark, and gloomy things are pleasing to similar beings. What then? Do you not see—that we, too, may joke with you stupidly, and just as you do yourselves—that the flesh of the victims is not black, nor their bones, teeth, fat, the bowels, with the brains, and the soft marrow in the bones? But the fleeces are jet-black, and the bristles of the creatures are jet-black. Do you, then, sacrifice to the gods only wool and little bristles torn from the victims? Do you leave the wretched creatures, despoiled it may be, and shorn, to draw the breath of heaven, and rest in perfect innocence upon their feeding-grounds? But if you think that those things are pleasing to the infernal gods which are black and of a gloomy colour, why do you not take care that all the other things which it is customary to place upon their sacrifices should be black, and smoked, and horrible in colour? Dye the incense if it is offered, the salted grits, and all the libations without exception. Into the milk, oil, blood, pour soot and ashes, that this may lose its purple hue, that the others may become ghastly. But if you have no scruple in introducing some things which are white and retain their brightness, you yourselves do away with your own religious scruples and reasonings, while you do not maintain any single and universal rule in performing the sacred rites.

Sed assentiamur, ut vultis, et esse inferos, et esse manes, et habitare nescio quos in his deos hominibus minus faustos, et tristioribus praepositos rebus; et quae causa, quae ratio est, ut tetrae his hostiae, nigerrimique admoveantur coloris? quia nigra nigris conveniunt, et tristia consimilibus grata sunt. Quid ergo? non videtis, ut vobiscum et nos stolide similiterque laudamus, albas esse hostiarum carnes, ossa, dentes, pinguitias, omenta cum cerebris, mollesque in ossibus medullas? Sed vellera nigra sunt, nigraeque animantium setae. Solas ergo immolate diis lanas, vulsasque ex hostiis setulas, relinquite infelicissimas pecudes spoliatas licet ac tonsas, coeli animam ducere, et pastibus innocentissimas incubare. Quod si grata numinibus inferis ea, quae sunt nigra, furvique existimatis coloris; cur non omnia caetera, quae illorum inferre sacrificiis moris est, sint nigra et fumigata, tetreque ut colorata curatis? Inficite thura, si dantur: salsas fruges, atque universa libamina, lacti, oleo, sanguini, hic ponat ut purpureum colorem, illa ut sint lurida, fuliginem infundite cum favillis. Quod si vobis religio nulla est, alba quaedam ferre, et suos retinentia candores: ipsi vestras religiones rationesque dissolvitis, cum sacrorum in opere nihil unum, perpetuumque servatis.

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21. But this, too, it is fitting that we should here learn from you: If a goat be slain to Jupiter, which is usually sacrificed to father Liber and Mercury, or if the barren heifer be sacrificed to Unxia, which you give to Proserpine, by what usage and rule is it determined what crime there is in this, what wickedness or guilt has been contracted, since it makes no difference to the worship offered to the deity what animal it is with whose head the honour is paid which you owe? It is not lawful, says my opponent, that these things should be confounded, and it is no small crime to throw the ceremonies of the rites and the mode of expiation into confusion. Explain the reason, I beg. Because it is right to consecrate victims of a certain kind to certain deities, and that certain forms of supplication should be also adopted. And what, again, is the reason that it is right to consecrate victims of a certain kind to certain deities, and that certain forms of supplication should be also adopted, for this very rightfulness should have its own cause, and spring, be derived from certain reasons? Are you going to speak about antiquity and custom? If so, you relate to me merely the opinions of men, and the inventions of a blind creature: but I, when I request a reason to be brought forward to me, wish to hear either that something has fallen from heaven, or, which the subject rather requires, what relation Jupiter has to a bull’s blood that it should be offered in sacrifice to him, not to Mercury or Liber. Or what are the natural properties of a goat, that they again should be suited to these gods, should not be adapted to the sacrifices of Jupiter? Has a partition of the animals been made amongst the gods? Has some contract been made and agreed to, so that it is fitting that this one should hold himself back from the victim which belongs to that, that the other should cease to claim as his own the blood which belongs to another? Or, as envious boys, are they unwilling to allow others to have a share in enjoying the cattle presented to them? or, as is reported to be done by races which differ greatly in manners, are the same things which by one party are considered fit for eating, rejected as food by others?

Sed et illud hoc loco consentaneum est ex vobis addiscere: si caper caedatur Jovi, quem patri solemne est Libero, Mercurio mactari: aut bos si sterilis Unxiae, quam Proserpinae tribuitis, quo ritu atque observatione praecipitur: quid facinoris in hoc erit, quid malorum, scelerisve contractum; cum nihil intersit obsequii, cujus animalis e capite honorarium istud debitum compleatur? Confundi haec, inquit, fas non est, nec piaculi parvi est, officia rituum procurationemque miscere. Causam oro edissere. Quia generis certi hostias certis jus est consecrare numinibus, certaque est supplicamenta praestari. Et quae iterum causa est, ut generis certi hostias certis jus sit consecrare numinibus, certaque et supplicamenta praestari? et hoc enim jus ipsum debet habere suam causam, certisque ab rationibus exoriri, duci. Antiquitatem, consuetudinemque dicturus es? Hominum mihi scita pronuntias, et caeci animalis inventa. Ego autem, cum postulo causam mihi depromi, audire desidero, aut coelo aliquid lapsum, aut quod magis res poscit, quid applicitum Jupiter ad tauri habeat sanguinem, ut ei debeat immolari, non debeat Mercurio, Libero? Aut natura quae capri est, ut his rursus accommoda, Jovialibus conveniens sacrificiis non sit? Animalium facta est inter deos divisio, transactionis alicujus pactione convenit, ut ille contineret ab hujus se hostia? hic ut usurpare desineret alieni sanguinis jura? an, ut zelotypi pusiones, communicare gustatum suarum pecudum nolunt? aut, ut gentibus fieri moris diversissimi fama est, quae habentur his esui, aliarum eadem rejiciuntur ab victibus?

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22. If, then, these things are vain, and are not supported by any reason, the very offering of sacrifices also is idle. For how can that which follows have a suitable cause, when that very first statement from which the second flows is found to be utterly idle and vain, and established on no solid basis? To mother Earth, they say, is sacrificed a teeming and pregnant sow; but to the virgin Minerva is slain a virgin calf, never forced by the goad to attempt any labour. But yet we think that neither should a virgin have been sacrificed to a virgin, that the virginity might not be violated in the brute, for which the goddess is especially esteemed; nor should gravid and pregnant victims have been sacrificed to the Earth from respect for its fruitfulness, which we all desire and wish to go on always in irrepressible fertility. For if because the Tritonian goddess is a virgin it is therefore fitting that virgin victims be sacrificed to her, and if because the Earth is a mother she is in like manner to be entertained with gravid swine, then also Apollo should be honoured by the sacrifice of musicians because he is a musician; Æsculapius, because he is a physician, by the sacrifice of physicians; and because he is an artificer, Vulcan by the sacrifice of artificers; and because Mercury is eloquent, sacrifice should be made to him with the eloquent and most fluent. But if it is madness to say this, or, to speak with moderation, nonsense, that shows much greater madness to slaughter pregnant swine to the Earth because she is even more prolific; pure and virgin heifers to Minerva because she is pure, of unviolated virginity.

Ergo si haec cassa sunt, nec rationis alicujus habentia firmitatem, sacrificiorum et ipsa inanis est ratio. Etenim qui potis est habere idoneam id, quod sequitur, causam, cum ipsum illud primum, a quo defluit secundum, inanissimum esse reperiatur et vacuum, et nulla soliditate firmatum? Telluri, inquiunt, matri scrofa inciens immolatur et foeta, at Minervae virgini virgo caeditur vitula, nullis umquam stimulis, nullius operis exercitata conatu. Atquin nos arbitramur, nec virginem virgini oportuisse mactari, ne virginitas violaretur in pecude, qua dea plurimum pollet: nec Telluri gravidas atque foetas ob honorem foecunditatis ipsius, quam cuncti expetimus et optamus inextinguibili semper virginitate procedere. Nam si, quia virgo Tritonia est, idcirco ei convenit virgines hostias immolari: et quod Tellus est mater, consimiliter gravidis accipienda est scrofis; ergo et musicis Apollo, quod musicus: et quod medicus Aesculapius, medicis: et quod faber Vulcanus est, fabris: et quod Mercurius eloquens, eloquentibus debet disertissimisque mactari. Quod si dicere istud insanum est, aut, ut mediocriter pronuntiem, brutum: multo illud majoris amentiae est foetas jugulare Telluri, quod sit foetibus gravior: Minervae castas et virgines, quod, sit pura, virginitatis intactae.

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23. For as to that which we hear said by you, that some of the gods are good, that others, on the contrary, are bad, and rather inclined to indulge in wanton mischief, and that the usual rites are paid to the one party that they may show favour, but to the others that they may not do you harm,—with what reason this is said, we confess that we cannot understand. For to say that the gods are most benevolent, and have gentle dispositions, is not only pious and religious, but also true; but that they are evil and sinister, should by no means be listened to, inasmuch as that divine power has been far removed and separated from the disposition which does harm. But whatever can occasion calamity, it must first be seen what it is, and then it should be removed very far from the name of deity.

Then, supposing that we should agree with you that the gods promote good fortune and calamity, not even in this case is there any reason why you should allure some of them to grant you prosperity, and, on the other hand, coax others with sacrifices and rewards not to do you harm. First, because the good gods cannot act badly, even if they have been worshipped with no honour,—for whatever is mild and placid by nature, is separated widely from the practice and devising of mischief; while the bad knows not to restrain his ferocity, although he should be enticed to do so with a thousand flocks and a thousand altars. For neither can bitterness change itself into sweetness, dryness into moisture, the heat of fire into cold, or what is contrary to anything take and change into its own nature that which is its opposite. So that, if you should stroke a viper with your hand, or caress a poisonous scorpion, the former will attack you with its fangs, the latter, drawing itself together, will fix its sting in you; and your caressing will be of no avail, since both creatures are excited to do mischief, not by the stings of rage, but by a certain peculiarity of their nature. It is thus of no avail to wish to deserve well of the sinister deities by means of sacrifices, since, whether you do this, or on the contrary do not, they follow their own nature, and by inborn laws and a kind of necessity are led to those things, to do which they were made. Moreover, in this way both kinds of gods cease to possess their own powers, and to retain their own characters. For if the good are worshipped that they may be favourable, and supplication is made in the same way to the others, on the contrary, that they may not be injurious, it follows that it should be understood that the propitious deities will show no favour if they receive no gifts, and become bad instead of good; while, on the contrary, the bad, if they receive offerings, will lay aside their mischievous disposition, and become thereafter good: and thus it is brought to this issue, that neither are these propitious, nor are those sinister: or, which is impossible, both are propitious, and both again sinister.

Nam quod dici a vobis accipimus, esse quosdam ex diis bonos, alios autem malos, et ad nocendi libidinem promptiores: illisque ut prosint, his verone noceant, sacrorum solemnia ministrari: quanam istud ratione dicatur, intelligere confitemur non posse. Nam deos benignissimos dicere, lenesque habere naturas, et sanctum, et religiosum, et verum est: malos autem et laevos, nequaquam sumendum est auribus, ideo quoniam divina illa vis ab nocendi procul est dimota et disjuncta natura. Quidquid autem potis est causam calamitatis inferre, quid sit primum videndum est, et ab dei nomine longissima debet differitate seponi. Itaque ut vobis commodemus assensum, dextrarum sinistrarumque rerum deos esse fautores: ulla nec sic ratio est cur alios alliciatis ad prospera, alios vero, ne noceant, sacrificiis, commulceatis et praemiis. Primum, quod dii boni male non queant facere, etiam si nullo fuerint honore mactati: quidquid enim mite est placidumque natura, ab nocendi procul est usu et cogitatione discretum: malus vero comprimere suam ferociam nescit, quamvis gregibus mille, et millealliciatur altaribus: neque enim in dulcedinem vertere amaritudo se potest: aut ariditas in humorem, calor ignis in frigora: aut quod rei cuicumque contrarium est, id quod sibi contrarium est, in suam sumere, atque immutare naturam. Ut si manu viperam mulceas, venenato blandiaris aut scorpio: petat illa te morsu, hic contractus aculeum figat: nihilque illa prosit allusio, cum ad nocendum res ambae non stimulis exagitantur irarum, sed quadam proprietate naturae. Ita nihil prodest promereri velle per hostias deos laevos, cum sive illud feceris, sive contra non feceris, agant suam naturam, et ad ea, quae facti sunt, ingenitis legibus, et quadam necessitate ducantur. Quid quod isto modo utrique dii desinunt esse suis in viribus, et suis in qualitatibus permanere. Nam si bonis ut prosint, res divina conficitur, aliis autem, ne noceant, iisdem rationibus supplicatur: sequitur, ut intelligi debeat, nihil dexteros profuturos, nulla si acceperint munera: malos autem si acceperint, nocendi posituros mentem, fierique ex hoc bonos: atque ita perducitur res eo, ut neque hi dexteri, neque illi sint laevi, aut quod fieri non potest utrique ipsi sint dexteri, et utrique iterum laevi.

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24. Be it so; let it be conceded that these most unfortunate cattle are not sacrificed in the temples of the gods without some religious obligation, and that what has been done in accordance with usage and custom possesses some rational ground: but if it seems a great and grand thing to slay bulls to the gods, and to burn in sacrifice the flesh of animals whole and entire, what is the meaning of these relics connected with the arts of the Magi which the pontifical mysteries have restored to a place among the secret laws of the sacred rites, and have mixed up with religious affairs? What, I say, is the meaning of these things, apexaones, hirciæ, silicernia, longavi, which are names and kinds of sausages, some stuffed with goats’ blood, others with minced liver? What is the meaning of tædæ, uæniæ, offæ, not those used by the common people, but those named and called offæ penitæ?—of which the first is fat cut into very small pieces, as dainties are; that which has been placed second is the extension of the gut by which the excrements are given off after being drained of all their nourishing juices; while the offa penita is a beast’s tail cut off with a morsel of flesh. What is the meaning of polimina, omenta, palasea, or, as some call it, plasea?—of which that named omentum is a certain part enclosed by the reservoirs of the belly are kept within bounds; the plasea is an ox’s tail besmeared with flour and blood; the polimina, again, are those parts which we with more decency call proles,—by the vulgar, however, they are usually termed testes. What is the meaning of fitilla, frumen, africia, gratilla, catumeum, cumspolium, cubula?—of which the first two are names of species of pottage, but differing in kind and quality; while the series of names which follows denotes consecrated cakes, for they are not shaped in one and the same way. For we do not choose to mention the caro strebula which is taken from the haunches of bulls, the roasted pieces of meat which are spitted, the intestines first heated, and baked on glowing coals, nor, finally, the pickles which are made by mixing four kinds of fruit. In like manner, we do not choose to mention the fendicæ, which also are the hiræ, which the language of the mob, when it speaks, usually terms ilia; nor, in the same way, the ærumnæ, which are the first part of the gullet, where ruminating animals are accustomed to send down their food and bring it back again; nor the magmenta, augmina, and thousand other kinds of sausages or pottages which you have given unintelligible names to, and have caused to be more revered by common people.

Esto, concedatur infelicissimas pecudes non sine aliquo religionis officio divorum apud templa mactari, et quod ex usu consuetudinis factum est, rationis alicujus causam aliquam continere: sed si magnificum videtur, atque amplum, jugulare diis tauros, si illibata, si solida concremari animantium viscera, quid sibi reliqua haec volunt magorum cohaerentia disciplinis, quae in sacrorum reconditis legibus pontificalia restituere mysteria, et rebus inseruere divinis? Quid inquam, sibi haec volunt, apexanes, hirciae, silicernia, longavi? quae sunt nomina, et farciminum genera, hirquino alia sanguine, comminutis alia inculcata pulmonibus. Quid taedae? quid naeniae? quid offae? non vulgi, sed quibus est nomen appellatioque penitae: ex quibus quod primum est, in exiguas arvina est miculas, catillaminum insecta de more: quod in secundo situm est, intestini est porrectio, per quam proluvies editur; succis perexsiccata vitalibus: offa autem penita est, cum particula visceris cauda pecoris amputata. Quid polimina? quid omenta? quid palasea, sive, ut quidam cognominant, plasea? ex quibus est nomen omenti pars quaedam; quo receptacula ventrium circumretita finiuntur. Bovis cauda est plasea, siligine et sanguine delibuta. Polimina porro sunt ea, quae nos proles verecundius dicimus: a vulgaribus autem assolent cognomine testium nuncupari. Quid fitilla, quid frumen, quid africia, quid gratilla, catumeum, conspolium, cubula? ex quibus duo, quae prima, sunt pultium nomina, sed genere et qualitate diversa. Series vero, quae sequitur, liborum significantias continet: et ipsis non est una eademque formatio. Non enim placet carnem strebulam nominare, quae taurorum e coxendicibus demitur, pulpamenta non assa, quae in verubus exta sunt, animata prius et torrefacta carbonibus: non salsamina denique, quae sunt una commixtio quadrinis copulata de frugibus. Non similiter fendicas, quae et ipsae sunt hirae, quas plebis oratio ilia solet, cum eloquitur, nuncupare. Non ratione eadem aerumnas, quae sunt prima in gurgulionibus capita, quae dejicere cibos et referre natura est ruminatoribus saeculis. Non magmenta, non augmina, non mille species, vel farciminum, vel fitillarum, quibus nomina indidistis obscura, vulgoque ut essent augustiora, fecistis.

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25. For if whatever is done by men, and especially in religion, should have its causes,—and nothing should be done without a reason in all that men do and perform,—tell us and say what is the cause, what the reason, that these things also are given to the gods and burned upon their sacred altars? For here we delay, constrained most urgently to wait for this cause, we pause, we stand fast, desiring to learn what a god has to do with pottage, with cakes, with different kinds of stuffing prepared in manifold ways, and with different ingredients? Are the deities affected by splendid dinners or luncheons, so that it is fitting to devise for them feasts without number? Are they troubled by the loathings of their stomachs, and is variety of flavours sought for to get rid of their aversion, so that there is set before them meat at one time roasted, at another raw, and at another half cooked and half raw? But if the gods like to receive all these parts which you term præsiciæ, and if these gratify them with any sense of pleasure or delight, what prevents, what hinders you from laying all these upon their altars at once with the whole animals? What cause, what reason is there that the haunch-piece by itself, the gullet, the tail, and the tail-piece separately, the entrails only, and the membrane alone, should be brought to do them honour? Are the gods of heaven moved by various condiments? After stuffing themselves with sumptuous and ample dinners, do they, as is usually done, take these little bits as sweet dainties, not to appease their hunger, but to rouse their wearied palates, and excite in themselves a perfectly voracious appetite? O wonderful greatness of the gods, comprehended by no men, understood by no creatures! if indeed their favours are bought with the testicles and gullets of beasts, and if they do not lay aside their anger and resentment, unless they see the entrails prepared and offæ bought and burned upon their altars.

Si enim quaecumque ab hominibus fiunt, maximeque in re sacra, debent habere suas causas, nec sine ratione est quidquam in negotiis omnibus, atque in omni administratione faciendum; edissertate nobis, et dicite, quae sit causa, quae ratio, ut haec etiam diis dentur, sacrisque adoleantur altaribus? In hoc enim diutius loco huic causae vel maxime necessario immoramur, insistimus, inhaeremus, cupientes addiscere, quid cum pultibus Deo sit, quid cum libis, quid diversis cum fartibus, confectionis jure multiplici atque impensarum varietate conditis? Opiparis numina coenis afficiuntur, aut prandiis, ut innumeras conveniat excogitare his dapes? aversionibus stomachorum laborant, et ad expellenda fastidia saporum varietas quaeritur, ut modo his assa, modo cruda ponantur, semicocta modo et semicruda? Quod si omnes has partes, quas praesicias dicitis, accipere dii amant, suntque illis gratae, vel voluptatis alicujus vel dulcedinis sensu; quid intercedit, quid prohibet, ut non semel haec omnia totis cum animantibus inferatis? Quae causa, quae ratio est, ut caro strebula separatim, ruma, cauda et plassea separatim, hirae solae, omentum solum, augmentorum adjiciatur in causam? Pulmentorum varietatibus afficiuntur dii coelites, ut fieri mos est post coenarum ditium et locupletium saginas frustilla haec parvula pro suavibus mateolis sumunt, non quibus famem sedeant, sed ut palati admoneant otium, seque ipsos plenae appetitu voracitatis instigent? O deorum magnitudo mirabilis, o nullis hominum comprehensa, nullis intellecta naturis! siquidem ut prosint, testiculis pecudum redimuntur et rumis, neque prius iras atque animos ponunt, nisi sibi adoleri paratas conspexerint naenias, offasque redemptas.

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26. We have now to say a few words about incense and wine, for these, too, are connected and mixed up with your ceremonies, and are used largely in your religious acts. And, first, with respect to that very incense which you use, we ask this of you particularly, whence or at what time you have been able to become acquainted with it, and to know it, so that you have just reason to think that it is either worthy to be given to the gods, or most agreeable to their desires. For it is almost a novelty; and there is no endless succession of years since it began to be known in these parts, and won its way into the shrines of the gods. For neither in the heroic ages, as it is believed and declared, was it known what incense was, as is proved by the ancient writers, in whose books is found no mention of it; nor was Etruria, the parent and mother of superstition, acquainted with its fame and renown, as the rites of the chapels prove; nor was it used by any one in offering sacrifice during the four hundred years in which Alba flourished; nor did even Romulus or Numa, who was skilful in devising new ceremonies, know either of its existence or growth, as the sacred grits show with which it was customary that the usual sacrifices should be performed. Whence, therefore, did its use begin to be adopted? or what desire of novelty assailed the old and ancient custom, so that that which was not needed for so many ages took the first place in the ceremonies? For if without incense the performance of a religious service is imperfect, and if a quantity of it is necessary to make the celestials gentle and propitious to men, the ancients fell into sin, nay rather, their whole life was full of guilt, for they carelessly neglected to offer that which was most fitted to give pleasure to the gods. But if in ancient times neither men nor gods sought for this incense, it is proved that to-day also that is offered uselessly and in vain which antiquity did not believe necessary, but modern times desired without any reason.

Sequitur, ut de thure, deque mero aliquid sine ulla nimietate dicamus. Copulata enim, et mixta sunt cerimoniarum et haec genera, cultumque adhibentur in plurimum. Ac primum illud a vobis isto ipso quaerimus percontamurque de thure; unde aut quo tempore nosse illud aut scire potueritis, ut merito existimetis aut esse diis dandum, aut eorum acceptissimum voluntati. Novella enim propemodum res est, neque annorum inexplicabilis series, ex quo ejus notitia profluxit in has partes, et delubris meruit interesse divinis. Nam neque temporibus, quemadmodum creditur et perhibetur, heroicis, quidnam esset thus, scitum est, scriptoribus ut comprobatur a priscis, quorum in libris nulla posita ejus mentio reperitur; neque genitrix et mater superstitionis Hetruria opinionem ejus novit aut famam, sacellorum ut indicant ritus; neque quadringentis annis, quibus Albana res viguit, in usum cuiquam venit, sacra cum res fieret; neque ipse Romulus, aut religionibus artifex in comminiscendis Numa, aut esse scivit, aut nasci; ut pium far monstrat, quo peragi mos fuit sacrificiorum solemnium munia. Unde igitur coepta est usurpatio ejus assumi; aut in antiquam et veterem consuetudinem quaenam irruit novitas, ut quod tempestatibus tantis necessarium non fuit, locum sumeret in cerimoniis primum? Nam si sine thure religionis officium claudicat, necessariaque vis ejus est, quae propitios faciat mitesque hominibus coelites, peccatum est ab antiquis, quinimmo piaculis plena vita omnis illorum fuit, qui, quod maxime conveniens deorum fuerat voluptati, per incuriam neglexere libare. Sin autem temporibus priscis neque homines, neque dii hujus thuris expetivere materiam, comprobatur et hodie frustra illud inaniterque praestari, quod neque antiquitas necessarium credidit, et sine ullis novitas rationibus appetivit.

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27. Finally, that we may always abide by the rule and definition by which it has been shown and determined that whatever is done by man must have its causes, we will hold it fast here also, so as to demand of you what is the cause, what the reason, that incense is put on the altars before the very images of the deities, and that, from its being burned, they are supposed to become friendly and gentle. What do they acquire from this being done, or what reaches their minds, so that we should be right in judging that these things are well expended, and are not consumed uselessly and in vain? For as you should show why you give incense to the gods, so, too, it follows that you should manifest that the gods have some reason for not rejecting it with disdain, nay more, for desiring it so fondly. We honour the gods with this, some one will perhaps say. But we are not inquiring what your feeling is, but the gods’; nor do we ask what is done by you, but how much they value what is done to purchase their favour. But yet, O piety, what or how great is this honour which is caused by the odour of a fire, and produced from the gum of a tree? For, lest you should happen not to know what this incense is, or what is its origin, it is a gum flowing from the bark of trees, just as from the almond-tree, the cherry-tree, solidifying as it exudes in drops. Does this, then, honour and magnify the celestial dignities? or, if their displeasure has been at any time excited, is it melted away before the smoke of incense, and lulled to sleep, their anger being moderated? Why, then, do you not burn indiscriminately the juice of any tree whatever, without making any distinction? For if the deities are honoured by this, and are not displeased that Panchæan gums are burned to them, what does it matter from what the smoke proceeds on your sacred altars, or from what kind of gum the clouds of fumigation arise?

Denique ut illam semper regulam definitionemque teneamus, qua demonstratum et fixum est, quidquid fiat ab homine, habere oportere suas causas, et in ista quoque retinebimus parte, ut requiramus ex vobis, quae sit causa, quae ratio, ut ante ipsa numinum signa thura injiciantur altaribus, et ex eorum incendio familiaria fieri existimentur et mitia: quid ex hujus modi facto acquiritur his rei aut eorum ad animos quid accedit, ut merito judicemus recte ista dependi, et non frustra atque inaniter concremari? Ut enim vos debetis ostendere, cur thura diis detis, sic et deos sequitur ut debeatis expromere habere aliquam causam, cur ea non respuant, quinimo cur ea tam familiariter concupiscant. Honoramus, inquiet aliquis fortasse, his deos. Sed nos non vestrum, sed numinum requirimus sensum: nec quid fiat a vobis, sed pendatur ab his quanti, quod in praemium datur favoris interrogamus. Sed tamen o pietas, quantus iste est honor, aut qualis, qui ex ignis odore conficitur, et resina ex arboris comparatur? Nam ne forte ignoretis, quid aut unde sit thus istud: viscum est ex corticibus profluens, ita ut ex amygdalo, ceraso, lachrymabili destillatione coalescens. Hoccine ergo superas honorat et auctificat dignitates, aut offensa si aliquando contracta est, thuris vapore dissolvitur, et temperata indignatione sopitur? Quid ergo cessatis, cujuslibet arboris viscum sine ulla passim differitate comburere? Nam si honorantur hoc numina, nec indigne sustinent Panchaicas sibi ardere resinulas: quid interest, unde fumus altaribus conficiatur in sanctis; vel ex visci quo genere nubes suffitionis exaestuent?

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28. Will any one say that incense is given to the celestials, for this reason, that it has a sweet smell, and imparts a pleasant sensation to the nose, while the rest are disagreeable, and have been set aside because of their offensiveness? Do the gods, then, have nostrils with which to breathe? do they inhale and respire currents of air so that the qualities of different smells can penetrate them? But if we allow that this is the case, we make them subject to the conditions of humanity, and shut them out from the limits of deity; for whatever breathes and draws in draughts of air, to be sent back in the same way, must be mortal, because it is sustained by feeding on the atmosphere. But whatever is sustained by feeding on the atmosphere, if you take away the means by which communication is kept up, its life must be crushed out, and its vital principle must be destroyed and lost. So then, if the gods also breathe and inhale odours enwrapt in the air that accompanies them, it is not untrue to say that they live upon what is received from others, and that they might perish if their air-holes were blocked up. And whence, lastly, do you know whether, if they are charmed by the sweetness of smells, the same things are pleasant to them which are pleasant to you, and charm and affect your different natures with a similar feeling? May it not be possible that the things which give pleasure to you, seem, on the contrary, harsh and disagreeable to them? For since the opinions of the gods are not the same, and their substance not one, by what methods can it be brought about that that which is unlike in quality should have the same feeling and perception as to that which touches it. Do we not every day see that, even among the creatures sprung from the earth, the same things are either bitter or sweet to different species, that to some things are fatal which are not pernicious to others, so that the same things which charm some with their delightful odours, give forth exhalations deadly to the bodies of others? But the cause of this is not in the things which cannot be at one and the same time deadly and wholesome, sweet and bitter; but just as each one has been formed to receive impressions from what is external, so he is affected: his condition is not caused by the influences of the things, but springs from the nature of his own senses, and connection with the external. But all this is set far from the gods, and is separated from them by no small interval. For if it is true, as is believed by the wise, that they are incorporeal, and not supported by any excellence of bodily strength, an odour is of no effect upon them, nor can reeking fumes move them by their senses, not even if you were to set on fire a thousand pounds of the finest incense, and the whole sky were clouded with the darkness of the abundant vapours. For that which does not have bodily strength and corporeal substance, cannot be touched by corporeal substance; but an odour is corporeal, as is shown by the nose when touched by one: therefore it cannot, according to reason, be felt by a deity, who has no body, and is without any feeling and thought.

At numquid aliquis dicet, idcirco superis thus dari, quod odoratus habeat suaves et narium commulceat sensum; reliqua vero sint aspera, et ob causam offensionis exclusa? Habent enim dii nares, quibus ducant aerios spiritus, accipiunt auras, et remittunt: ut penetrare illos possint nidorum differentium qualitates? Quod si damus ut fiat, mortalitatis eos adjungimus legi, et excludimus divinitatis a finibus. Quidquid enim spirat, et reciprocos halitus auris commeabilibus ducit, id necesse est mortale, quia coeli sustinetur e pastu. Quidquid autem coeli sustinetur e pastu, si recursus abstuleris, quibus alternatio redditur abstrahiturque vitalis, oblidi ejus necesse est animam, et rationem subrui atque interire vivendi. Ergo si et dii spirant, odoremque ad se attrahunt auris comitantibus involutum, non est ab re dicere et alienis eos suffitionibus vivere, et interclusis posse spiraminibus interire. Et unde novissime scitis, an si odorum suavitate capiuntur, eadem sint eis jucunda, quae vobis, et parili sensu vestras mulceant afficiantque naturas? Nonne fieri potis est, ut quae vobis afferunt voluptatem, contra illis aspera videantur et tristia? Cum enim deorum sint sententiae dispares, substantiaeque non unae: quibus effici rationibus potest, ut quod qualitate diversum est, unum sentiat accipiatque contactum? An non quotidie cernimus et inter animantia terris orta, esse aliis eadem vel amara vel dulcia: mortifera his esse, quae illis nata in perniciem non sunt: ut quae alios mulceant odoribus laetis, eadem pestiferos halitus aliorum corporibus spirent? Sed hoc ut fiat et accidat, non in rebus est causa, quae simul esse mortiferae simul salutares, simul dulces nequeunt, simulque amarae consistere; sed, ut quisque est factus ad extrinsecus rei venientis attactum, ita afficitur: qualitatem non accipit ex rerum impulsionibus natam, sed ex sui sensus contagiique natura. Verum omnis haec ratio longe est ab diis sita, nec exigui limitis interjectione discreta. Nam si verum est, ut ab sapientibus creditur, incorporales hos esse, neque validitatis alicujus eminentia sublevari, inanis apud hos odor est, nec sensibiliter commovere aura eos potis est nidoris alicujus: non si mille tu pondera masculi thuris accendas, coelumque hoc totum redundantium vaporum nebulositate cludatur. Quod enim non habet robur et substantiam corporalem, contrectari a substantia non potest corporali: odor autem corpus est, tactis sicut naribus indicatur: a deo ergo sentiri ratione non potest ulla, qui caret re corporis, atque omni sensu et cogitatione privatus est.

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29. Wine is used along with incense; and of this, in like manner, we ask an explanation why it is poured upon it when burning. For if a reason is not shown for doing this, and its cause is not set forth, this action of yours must not now be attributed to a ridiculous error, but, to speak more plainly, to madness, foolishness, blindness. For, as has been already said pretty frequently, everything which is done should have its cause manifest, and not involved in any dark obscurity. If, therefore, you have confidence in what is done, disclose, point out why that liquor is offered; that is, why wine is poured on the altars. For do the bodies of the deities feel parching thirst, and is it necessary that their dryness be tempered by some moisture? Are they accustomed, as men are, to combine eating and drinking? In like manner, also, after the solid food of cakes and pottages, and victims slain in honour of them, do they drench themselves, and make themselves merry with very frequent cups of wine, that their food may be more easily softened, and thoroughly digested? Give, I beg, to the immortal gods to drink; bring forth goblets, bowls, ladles, and cups; and as they stuff themselves with bulls, and luxurious feasts, and rich food,—lest some piece of flesh hastily gulped down should stick in passing through the stomach, run up, hasten, give pure wine to Jupiter, the most excellent, the supreme, lest he be choked. He desires to break wind, and is unable; and unless that hindrance passes away and is dissolved, there is very great danger that his breathing will be stopped and interrupted, and heaven be left desolate without its rulers.

Merum thuris est socium, quod explanari consimiliter poscimus, cur ei superfundatur incensioni. Si enim ratio, cur fiat, non ostendetur, nec habebit expositam sui causam, non jam istud errori objiciendum est ludicro, sed, ut dicatur expressius, insaniae, dementiae, caecitati. Ut enim jam saepius dictum est, debet omne, quod geritur causam sui habere perspicuam, nec caliginis alicujus obscuritate contectam. Si ergo fiditis facto, aperite, monstrate, liquor iste cur detur, id est, vinum superfundatur altaribus. Numquid enim numinum corpora sitim sentiunt aridam, et eorum necesse est siccitates humore aliquo temperari? Numquid nobis ut mortalibus mos est, coenis intermiscere potiones: pari etiam more post solidos victus liborum, et pultium, hostiarumque caesarum, quo putrefiat facilius et percoquatur cibus, frequentissimo irrigant accipiuntque se vino? Date quaeso immortalibus diis bibant, scyphos, brias, pateras, sympuviaque depromite: et quoniam tauris pinguibusque se dapibus, atque opimis inferciunt escis: ne quod in stomachi tramite male transvoratum substerit viscus: succurrite, properate, Jovi optimo maximo merum, ne praefocetur, date: cupit, eructare, nec potis est: ac ni illa labatur et dissolvatur obstructio, periculum maximum est, ne oblisus interrumpatur spiritus, et viduatum remaneat sine suis administratoribus coelum.

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30. But, says my opponent, you are insulting us without reason, for we do not pour forth wine to the gods of heaven for these reasons, as if we supposed that they either thirsted, or drank, or were made glad by tasting its sweetness. It is given to them to do them honour; that their eminence may become more exalted, more illustrious, we pour libations on their altars, and with the half-extinguished embers we raise sweet smells, which show our reverence. And what greater insult can be inflicted upon the gods than if you believe that they become propitious on receiving wine, or, if you suppose that great honour is done to them, if you only throw and drop on the live coals a few drops of wine? We are not speaking to men void of reason, or not possessed of common understanding: in you, too, there is wisdom, there is perception, and in your hearts you know, by your own judgment, that we are speaking truly. But what can we do with those who are utterly unwilling to consider things as they are, to converse themselves with themselves? For you do what you see to be done, not that which you are assured should be done, inasmuch as with you a custom without reason prevails, more than a perception of the nature of circumstances based on a careful examination of the truth. For what has a god to do with wine? or what or how great is the power in it, that, on its being poured out, his eminence becomes greater, and his dignity is supposed to be honoured? What, I say, has a god to do with wine, which is most closely connected with the pursuits of Venus, which weakens the strength of all virtues, and is hostile to the decency of modesty and chastity,—which has often excited men’s minds, and urged them to madness and frenzy, and compelled the gods to destroy their own authority by raving and foul language? Is not this, then, impious, and perfectly sacrilegious, to give that as an honour which, if you take too eagerly, you know not what you are doing, you are ignorant of what you are saying, and at last are reviled, and become infamous as a drunkard, a luxurious and abandoned fellow?

Sed frustra, inquit, inequitas nobis: non enim nos superis ob eas profundimus merum causas, tamquam illos existimemus aut sitire, aut bibere, aut suavitatis ejus affectione laetari. Honoris eis ergo datur, quo fiat illorum elatior, amplior, augustiorque sublimitas, altaria super ipsa libamus, et venerabiles muscos carbonibus excitamus extinctis et quae gravior infligi contumelia diis potest, quam si eos credas accepto mero propitios fieri: aut honorem existimes habitum his magnum, si modo vini exigui rores super vividam jeceris atque instillaveris prunam? Non nobis est sermo cum hominibus rationis expertibus, neque quibus non sit communis intelligentiae veritas: inest et vobis sapientia, inest sensus, verumque nos dicere apud vos ipsi interiori judicio scitis. Sed quid facere possumus considerare nolentibus penitus res ipsas, secumque ipsos loqui? Facitis enim, quod fieri cernitis, non quod fieri oportere confiditis: nimirum quia apud vos plus valet nullam habens consuetudo rationem, quam rerum inspecta natura veritatis examinatione ponderata. Quid est enim Deo cum vino, aut in ejus materia vis qualis, aut quanta est, quod cum effusum fuerit, sublimitas ejus augescat, et honorata existimetur auctoritas? Quid, inquam, Deo cum vino est, Venereis re proxima, nervos omnium debilitante virtutum, verecundiae, pudoris, et castitatis inimica? quod in insanias et furores mentes saepius praecipitavit excitas, ipsosque illos deos maledictis compulit exauctorare dementibus. Itane istud non nefas et plenum sacrilegii crimen est, honori hoc dare, quod si tu id avidius sumpseris, quid facias, nescias: quid loquaris, ignores: ad extremum tumulenti, luxuriosi, et perditi convitium infamiamque merearis?

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31. It is worth while to bring forward the words themselves also, which, when wine is offered, it is customary to use and make supplication with: “Let the deity be worshipped with this wine which we bring.” The words “which we bring,” says Trebatius, are added for this purpose, and put forth for this reason, that all the wine whatever which has been laid up in closets and storerooms, from which was taken that which is poured out, may not begin to be sacred, and be reft from the use of men. This word, then, being added, that alone will be sacred which is brought to the place, and the rest will not be consecrated. What kind of honour, then, is this, in which there is imposed on the deity a condition, as it were, not to ask more than has been given? or what is the greed of the god, who, if he were not verbally interdicted, would extend his desires too far, and rob his suppliant of his stores? “Let the deity be worshipped with this wine which we bring:” this is a wrong, not an honour. For what if the deity shall wish for more, and shall not be content with what is brought! Must he not be said to be signally wronged who is compelled to receive honour conditionally? For if all wine in cellars whatever must become consecrated were a limitation not added, it is manifest both that the god is insulted to whom a limit is prescribed against his wishes, and that in sacrificing you yourselves violate the obligations of the sacred rites, who do not give as much wine as you see the god wishes to be given to himself. “Let the deity be worshipped with this wine which we bring:” what is this but saying, “Be worshipped as much as I choose; receive as much dignity as I prescribe, as much honour as I decide and determine by a strict engagement that you should have?” O sublimity of the gods, excelling in power, which thou shouldst venerate and worship with all ceremonial observances, but on which the worshipper imposes conditions, which he adores with stipulations and contracts, which, through fear of one word, is kept from excessive desire of wine

Operae pretium est, etiam verba ipsa depromere, quibus, cum vinum datur, uti ac supplicare consuetudo est: Mactus hoc vino inferio esto. Inferio, inquit Trebatius, verbum ea causa est additum, eaque ratione profertur; ne vinum omne omnino, quod in cellis atque apothecis est conditum, ex quibus illud, quod effunditur, promptum est, esse sacrum incipiat, et ex usibus eripiatur humanis. Addito ergo hoc verbo solum erit, quod inferetur, sacrum, nec religione obligabitur caeterum. Qualis ergo hic honor est, in quo imponitur quasi lex deo, ne plus quaerat, quam datum est? aut cujus ipse est aviditatis deus, qui nisi verbi fuerit praescriptione submotus, cupiditatem suam protendat ulterius, et apothecis suis supplicem privet? Mactus hoc vino inferio esto: injuria est ista, non honor. Quid enim si divus amplius hoc volet, neque erit contentus illato? nonne insigniter dicendum est laedi, qui honorem accipere cum conditione cogatur? Nam si exceptione non addita sacrum necesse est fieri omne omnino, quod in cellis est, vinum, manifestum est et deo contumeliam fieri, cui modus constituatur invito: et vos ipsos in re sacra caeremoniarum officia violare, qui non tantum tribuitis vini, quantum deum videtis sibi velle praestari. Mactus hoc vino inferio esto: quid est aliud quam dicere, tantum esto mactus, quantum volo: tantum amplificatus, quantum jubeo: tantum honoris assumito, quantum te habere decerno, et verborum circumscriptione definio. O deorum sublimitas praepotens, quam venerari, quam colere officiis omnibus caeremonialibus debeas: cui legem venerator imponit, quam cum pactionibus adorat et formulis: quae per unius formidinem verbi ab immodicis vini cupiditatibus arcetur.

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32. But let there be, as you wish, honour in wine and in incense, let the auger and displeasure of the deities be appeased by the immolation and slaughter of victims: are the gods moved by garlands also, wreaths and flowers, by the jingling of brass also, and the shaking of cymbals, by timbrels also, and also by symphonious pipes? What effect has the clattering of castanets, that when the deities have heard them, they think that honour has been shown to them, and lay aside their fiery spirit of resentment in forgetfulness? Or, as little boys are frightened into giving over their silly wailings by hearing the sound ofrattles, are the almighty deities also soothed in the same way by the whistling of pipes? and do they become mild, is their indignation softened, at the musical sound of cymbals? What is the meaning of those calls which you sing in the morning, joining your voices to the music of the pipe? Do the gods of heaven fall asleep, so that they should return to their posts? What is the meaning of those slumbers to which you commend them with auspicious salutations that they may be in good health? Are they awakened from sleep; and that they may be able to be overcome by it, must soothing lullabies be heard? The purification, says my opponent, of the mother of the gods is to-day. Do the gods, then, become dirty; and to get rid of the filth, do those who wash them need water, and even some cinders to rub them with? The feast of Jupiter is to-morrow. Jupiter, I suppose, dines, and must be satiated with great banquets, and long filled with eager cravings for food by fasting, and hungry after the usual interval. The vintage festival of Æsculapius is being celebrated. The gods, then, cultivate vineyards, and, having collected gatherers, press the wine for their own uses. The lectisternium of Ceres will be on the next Ides, for the gods have couches; and that they may be able to lie on softer cushions, the pillows are shaken up when they have been pressed down. It is the birthday of Tellus; for the gods are born, and have festal days on which it has been settled that they began to breathe

Sed sit, ut vultis, honor in vino, sit in thure, immolatione et caedibus hostiarum irae numinum offensionesque placentur. Etiamne dii sertis, coronis afficiuntur, et floribus? etiamne aeris tinnitibus, et quassationibus cymbalorum? etiamne tympanis? etiamne symphoniis? Quid efficiunt crepitus scabillorum, ut cum eos audierint numina, honorifice secum existiment actum, et ferventes animos irarum oblivione deponant? An numquid ut parvuli pusiones ab ineptis vagitibus crepitaculis exterrentur auditis: eadem ratione et omnipotentia numina tibiarum stridore mulcentur, et ad numerum cymbalorum mollita indignatione flaccescunt? Quid sibi volunt extationes istae, quas canitis matutini, collatis ad tibiam vocibus? Obdormiscunt enim superi, remeare ut ad vigilias debeant? Quid dormitiones illae, quibus bene ut valeant, auspicabili salutatione mandatis? Somni enim quiete solvuntur, occuparique ut hoc possint, lenies audiendae sunt naeniae? Lavatio, inquit, deum matris est hodie. Sordescunt enim divi, et ad sordes eluendas laventibus aquis opus, atque adjuncta antiqua cineris frictione. Jovis epulum cras est. Jupiter enim coenat, magnisque implendus est dapibus, jamdudum inedia gestiens, et anniversaria interjectione jejunus. Aesculapii geritur, celebraturque vindemia: colunt enim dii vineas, et ad suas usiones contractis exprimunt vindemiatoribus vinum. Lectisternium Cereris erit idibus proximis: habent enim dii lectos atque, ut stratis possint mollioribus incubare, pulvinorum tollitur atque excitatur impressio. Telluris natalis est: dii enim ex uteris prodeunt, et habent dies laetos, quibus eis adscriptum est auram usurpare vitalem.

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33. But the games which you celebrate, called Floralia and Megalensia, and all the rest which you wish to be sacred, and to be considered religious duties, what reason have they, what cause, that it was necessary that they should be instituted and founded and designated by the names of deities? The gods are honoured by these, says my opponent; and if they have any recollection of offences committed by men, they lay it aside, get rid of it, and show themselves gracious to us again, their friendship being renewed. And what is the cause, again, that they are made quite calm and gentle, if absurd things are done, and idle fellows sport before the eyes of the multitude? Does Jupiter lay aside his resentment if the Amphitryon of Plautus is acted and declaimed? or if Europa, Leda, Ganymede, or Danæ is represented by dancing does he restrain his passionate impulses? Is the Great Mother rendered more calm, more gentle, if she beholds the old story of Attis furbished up by the players? Will Venus forget her displeasure if she sees mimics act the part of Adonis also in a ballet? Does the anger of Alcides die away if the tragedy of Sophocles named Trachiniæ, or the Hercules of Euripides, is acted? or does Flora think that honour is shown to her if at her games she sees that shameful actions are done, and the stews abandoned for the theatres? Is not this, then, to lessen the dignity of the gods, to dedicate and consecrate to them the basest things which a rigidly virtuous mind will turn from with disgust, the performers of which your law has decided to be dishonoured and to be considered infamous? The gods, forsooth, delight in mimics; and that surpassing excellence which has not been comprehended by any human faculty, opens its ears most willingly to hear these plays, with most of which they know they are mixed up to be turned to derision; they are delighted, as it is, with the shaved heads of the fools, by the sound of flaps, and by the noise of applause, by shameful actions and words, by huge red fascina. But further, if they see men weakening themselves to the effeminacy of women, some vociferating uselessly, others running about without cause, others, while their friendship is unbroken, bruising and maiming each with the bloody cestus, these contending in speaking without drawing breath, swelling out their cheeks with wind, and shouting out noisily empty vows, do they lift up their hands to heaven in their admiration, start up moved by such wonders, burst into exclamations, again become gracious to men? If these things cause the gods to forget their resentment, if they derive the highest pleasure from comedies, Atellane farces, and pantomimes, why do you delay, why do you hesitate, to say that the gods themselves also play, act lasciviously, dance, compose obscene songs, and undulate with trembling haunches? For what difference is there, or what does it matter, whether they do these things themselves, or are pleased and delighted to see them done by others?

Ludi vero, quos facitis, quibus Floralibus et Megalensibus nomen est, caeterique omnes alii, quos esse sacros voluistis, et religionum inter officia deputari, quam rationem habent, quam causam, ut institui condique debuerint, et ex numinum appellatione signari? Honorantur, inquit, his dii, et si quas ab hominibus continent offensionum memorias illatarum, abjiciunt, excludunt, redduntque se nobis redintegrata familiaritate fautores. Et quae causa est rursus, ut tranquilli, placidi efficiantur, et mites: ineptae si res fiant, et ab hominibus otiosis multitudine spectante ludatur? Ponit animos Jupiter, si Amphitryo fuerit actus pronuntiatusque Plautinus? aut si Europa, si Leda, Ganymedes fuerit saltatus, aut Danae, motum compescit irarum? Tranquillior, lenior mater magna efficitur, si Attidis conspexerit priscam refricari ab histrionibus fabulam? oblitterabit offensam Venus, si Adonis in habitu gestum agere viderit saltatoriis in motibus pantomimum? indignatio relanguescet Alcidae, si tragoedia Sophoclis, cui Trachiniae nomen est, Euripidis aut Hercules actitetur? Existimatve tractari se honorifice Flora, si suis in ludis flagitiosas conspexerit res agi, et migratum ab lupanaribus in theatra? Itane istud non est deorum imminuere dignitatem, dicare et consecrare turpissimas reis eis, quas censor animus respuat, et quarum actores inhonestos esse jus vestrum, et inter capita computari judicavit infamia? Mimis nimirum dii gaudent, et illa vis praestans, neque ullis hominum comprehensa naturis, libentissime commodat audiendis his aures, quorum symplegmatibus plurimis intermixtos se esse, derisionis in materiam norunt: delectantur, ut res est, Stupidorum capitibus rasis, salapittarum sonitu atque plausu, factis et dictis turpibus fascinorum ingentium rubore. Jam vero si viderint in femineas mollitudines enervantes se viros, vociferari hos frustra, sine causa alios cursitare, amicitiarum fide salva contundere se alios, et crudis mutilare se caestibus, certare hos spiritu, buccas vento distendere, votisque inanibus concrepare, manus ad coelum tollunt, rebus admirabilibus moti prosiliunt, exclamant, in gratiam cum hominibus redeunt. Haec si diis immortalibus oblivionem afferunt simultatum, si ex comoediis, atellanis, mimis ducunt laetissimas voluptates: quid moramini, quid cessatis, quin et ipsos dicatis deos ludere, lascivire, saltare, obscoenas compingere cantiones, et clunibus fluctuare crispatis? Quid enim differt, aut interest, faciantne haec ipsi, an ab aliis fieri in amoribus atque in deliciis ducant?

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34. Whence, therefore, have these vicious opinions flowed, or from what causes have they sprung? From this it is clear, in great measure, that men are unable to know what God is, what is His essence, nature, substance, quality; whether He has a form, or is limited by no bodily outline, does anything or not, is ever watchful, or is at times sunk in slumbers, runs, sits, walks, or is free from such motions and inactivity. Being, as I have said, unable to know all these things, or to discern them by any power of reason, they fell into these fanciful beliefs, so that they fashioned gods after themselves, and gave to these such a nature as they have themselves, in actions, circumstances, and desires. But if they were to perceive that they are worthless creatures, and that there is no great difference between themselves and a little ant, they would cease, indeed, to think that they have anything in common with the gods of heaven, and would confine their unassuming insignificance within its proper limits. But now, because they see that they themselves have faces, eyes, heads, cheeks, ears, noses, and all the other parts of our limbs and muscles, they think that the gods also have been formed in the same way, that the divine nature is embodied in a human frame; and because they perceive that they themselves rejoice and are glad, and again are made sad by what is too disagreeable, they think that the deities also on joyous occasions are glad, and on less pleasant ones become dejected. They see that they are affected by the games, and think that the minds of the celestials are soothed by enjoying games; and because they have pleasure in refreshing themselves with warm baths, they think that the cleanness produced by bathing is pleasing to the gods above. We men gather our vintages, and they think and believe that the gods gather and bring in their grapes; we have birthdays, and they affirm that the powers of heaven have birthdays. But if they could ascribe to the gods ill-health, sickness, and bodily disease, they would not hesitate to say that they were splenetic, blear-eyed, and ruptured, because they are themselves both splenetic, and often blear-eyed, and weighed down by huge herniæ.

Unde igitur fluxit, vel ex quibus enata est causis opinionum haec pravitas? Ex eo scilicet maxime, quod nequeuntes homines, quidnam sit deus, scire, quidnam sit vis ejus, natura, substantia, qualitas: utrumne habeat formam, an nulla sit corporis circumscriptione finitus, agat aliquid, an non agat: vigiletne perpetuo, an aliquando solvatur in somnos: currat, sedeat, ambulet, an ab hujusmodi motibus, et cessione sit liber? Haec omnia, ut dixi, nequeuntes scire, neque ratione aliqua pervidere, in eas sunt opinationes lapsi, ut deos ex se fingerent, et qualis sibi natura est, et illis talem darent actionum, rerum, voluntatumque naturam. Quod si animal cernerent nullius esse se pretii, nec inter formiculam plurimum seseque esse discriminis, profecto desinerent arbitrari quidquam se habere commune cum superis, et intra suos fines humilitatis suae modestiam continerent. Nunc vero quia cernunt ora, oculos, capita, buccas, auriculas, nasos, caeterasque se alias membrorum gerere ac viscerum portiones, et deos existimant eadem ratione formatos, habitumque illos suum compagine in corporea continere: et quia gaudere, laetari, moestosque se fieri tristioribus conspiciunt causis, arbitrantur et numina ex rebus hilarioribus gaudere, et ex minus laetis animorum contractione conduci: affici se ludis putant et coelitum mentes ludorum delectatione mulceri. Et quia illis se voluptas est lavacrorum refovere caldoribus, et superis ducunt lavationum esse munditias gratas. Vindemiamus nos homines, et deos rentur, et credunt suas ducere atque agitare vindemias: dies nobis natalitii sunt, et potentias coelites diis autumant habere natales. Quod si possent adscribere valetudines, aegritudines, et corporales diis morbos, non dubitarent eos lienosos, lippulos, atque enterocelicos dicere, eo quod ipsi et lienosi et lippi sunt saepe, et ingentium herniarium magnitudine ponderosi.

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35. Come now: as the discussion has been prolonged and led to these points, let us, bringing forward what each has to say, decide by a brief comparison whether your ideas of the gods above are the better, or our thoughts preferable, and much more honourable and just, and such as to give and assign its own dignity to the divine nature. And, first, you declare that the gods, whom you either think or believe to exist, of whom you have set up images and statues in all the temples, were born and produced from the germs of males and females, under the necessary condition of sexual embraces. But we, on the contrary, if they are indeed true gods, and have the authority, power, dignity of this name, consider that they must either be unbegotten, for it is pious to believe this, or, if they have a beginning in birth, it belongs to the supreme God to know by what methods He made them, or how many ages there are since He granted to them to enter upon the eternal being of His own divine nature. You consider that the deities have sexes, and that some of them are male, others female; we utterly deny that the powers of heaven have been distinguished by sexes, since this distinction has been given to the creatures of earth which the Author of the universe willed should embrace and generate, to provide, by their carnal desires, one generation of offspring after another. You think that they are like men, and have been fashioned with the countenances of mortals; we think that the images of them are wide of the mark, as form belongs to a mortal body; and if they have any, we swear with the utmost earnestness and confidence that no man can comprehend it. By you they are said to have each his trade, like artisans; we laugh when we hear you say such things, as we hold and think that professions are not necessary to gods, and it is certain and evident that these have been provided to assist poverty.

Sed si dii immortales nequeunt, inquit, irasci, neque ullis animorum affectibus eorum quatitur concutiturque natura: quid historiae sibi volunt, quid annales, quorum in conscriptionibus legimus nonnullis offensionibus deos motos, pestilentias, sterilitates, ac frugum inopias, aliaque intulisse civitatibus nationibusque discrimina: eosque rursus sacrorum satisfactione placatos, indignationum posuisse fervores, et in habitum laetiorem statum coeli, tempestatumque mutasse? Quid terrarum fremitus, quid motus, quos esse accepimus factos, quod essent acti per indiligentiam ludi, nec ad suam formam conditionemque curati? instauratis his tamen, et curiosa observatione repetitis, superorum conquievisse terrores, et ad hominum curam familiaritatemque revocatos. Quoties vatum jussis, haruspicumque responsis, postquam divina res facta est, et ex gentibus transmarinis acciti dii quidam, delubraque his facta, et in altioribus columnis signa quaedam et simulacra sunt constituta: et imminentium aversi sunt periculorum metus, et gravissimi hostes pulsi, et amplificata res publica est, et victoriarum frequentibus gaudiis, et provinciarum possessione complurium? quod utique non fieret, si sacrificia, si ludos, caeterosque aspernarentur dii cultus: neque se honorari eorum procurationibus ducerent. Si ergo his datis calor omnis numinum, indignatioque frigescunt, vertunturque in prospera ea, quae videbantur afferre terrores, manifestum est, haec omnia non sine coelitum fieri voluntate, et quod ea tribuantur a nobis, inaniter et cum tota imperitia reprehendi.

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36. You say that some of them cause dissensions, that there are others who inflict pestilences, others who excite love and madness, others, even, who preside over wars, and are delighted by the shedding of blood; but we, indeed, on the contrary, judge that these things are remote from the dispositions of the deities; or if there are any who inflict and bring these ills on miserable mortals, we maintain that they are far from the nature of the gods, and should not be spoken of under this name. You judge that the deities are angry and perturbed, and given over and subject to the other mental affections; we think that such emotions are alien from them, for these suit savage beings, and those who die as mortals. You think that they rejoice, are made glad, and are reconciled to men, their offended feelings being soothed by the blood of beasts and the slaughter of victims; we hold that there is in the celestials no love of blood, and that they are not so stern as to lay aside their resentment only when glutted with the slaughter of animals. You think that, by wine and incense, honour is given to the gods, and their dignity increased; we judge it marvellous and monstrous that any man thinks that the deity either becomes more venerable by reason of smoke, or thinks himself supplicated by men with sufficient awe and respect when they offer a few drops of wine. You are persuaded that, by the crash of cymbals and the sound of pipes, by horse-races and theatrical plays, the gods are both delighted and affected, and that their resentful feelings conceived before are mollified by the satisfaction which these things give; we hold it to be out of place, nay more, we judge it incredible, that those who have surpassed by a thousand degrees every kind of excellence in the height of their perfection, should be pleased and delighted with those things which a wise man laughs at, and which do not seem to have any charm except to little children, coarsely and vulgarly educated.

Ventum est ergo, dum loquimur, ad ipsum articulum causae, ventum rei ad cardinem, ventum ad veram atque adjunctissimam quaestionem: in quam convenit ut debeamus inspicere, formidine superstitionis amota, et gratificatione deposita, utrumne hi dii sint, quos saevire asseratis offensos, reddique sacrificiis mites; an sint longe aliud, et ab hujus vi debeant et nominis et potentiae segregari. Non enim imus inficias, in annalium scriptis contineri haec omnia, quae sunt a vobis in oppositione prolata: nam et ipsi pro modulo, ingeniique pro captu et legimus, et esse positum scimus, ludis quondam ipsis circensibus, qui Jovi maximo fierent, patremfamilias quemdam, antequam inciperent res agi, servum pessime meritum per circi aream mediam transduxisse caesum virgis, et ex more mulctasse post patibuli poena. Ludis deinde jam terminatis, profligatisque curriculis, non multi post temporis spatium civitatem occepisse pestilentia vastari. Cumque dies adderet malum malo gravius, catervatim et populus interiret: rusticulo cuidam sorte humilitatis obscuro Jovem per insomnium dixisse, uti ad consules vaderet, praesulem sibi displicuisse monstraret, posse melius fieri civitati, si ludis sua religio redderetur, et ex integro rursus curiosa observatione procederent. Quod cum ille facere minime curasset; vel quod esse vanum suspicaretur insomnium, nullamque habiturum apud audituros fidem; vel quod ingenitae humilitatis memor potestatis tantae fugeret et formidaret accessum: cunctatori redditum inimicum Jovem, filiorum obitus irrogavisse pro poena. Mox cum et ipsi proprium minaretur interitum, ni praesulis pergeret nuntius improbati: obeundi formidine territatum, cum jam et ipse contactus pestilentiae flagraret incendio, de sententia propinquorum perlatum ad curiam patrum, insomniique exposita visione, flammas evolavisse contagii: ludorum deinde instauratione decreta, et spectaculis adhibitam gravem curam, et priorem populo redditam sanitatem.

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37. Since these things are so, and since there is so great difference between our opinions and yours, where are we, on the one hand, impious, or you pious, since the decision as to piety and impiety must be founded on the opinions of the two parties? For he who makes himself an image which he may worship for a god, or slaughters an innocent beast, and burns it on consecrated altars, must not be held to be devoted to religion. Opinion constitutes religion, and a right way of thinking about the gods, so that you do not think that they desire anything contrary to what becomes their exalted position, which is manifest. For since we see all the things which are offered to them consumed here under our eyes, what else can be said to reach them from us than opinions worthy of the gods, and most appropriate to their name? These are the surest gifts, these true sacrifices; for gruel, incense, and flesh feed the devouring flames, and agree very well with the parentalia of the dead.

Sed neque illud aeque nos negabimus scire, temporibus quondam civitatis et reipublicae duris, vel quae lues infesta faciebat continua populum contage conficiens: vel quae hostes validi, et ad periculum libertatis auferendae praeliorum prosperitate jam proximi: jussis et monitis vatum, transmarinis ex gentibus quosdam deos accitos, magnificisque honoratos templis, et luis sedasse flagrantiam, et viribus hostium fractis frequentissime triumphatum, et auctos imperii fines, innumerasque provincias sub leges vestri cecidisse dominatus. Sed neque hoc nostram conscientiam fugit, lectum et positum, ictum cum esset Capitolium fulmine, multaque in hoc alia: Jovis etiam simulacrum, sublimi quod in culmine stabat, suis esse ab sedibus provolutum. Responsum deinde ab haruspicibus editum, res saevas tristissimasque portendi, ab incendiis, caedibus, ab legum interitu, et ab juris occasu, maxime tamen ab domesticis hostibus, atque ab impia conjuratorum manu. Sed flecti haec posse, immo aliter publicari scelerata non posse consilia, nisi Jupiter rursus altiore in culmine figeretur, orientalem conversus ad cardinem, radiisque oppositus solis. Affuisse dicto fidem: nam subrecto culmine conversoque ad solem signo, patuisse res abditas, et reserata in maleficia vindicatum.

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38. If the immortal gods cannot be angry, says my opponent, and their nature is not agitated or troubled by any passions, what do the histories, the annals mean, in which we find it written that the gods, moved by some annoyances, occasioned pestilences, sterility, failure of crops, and other dangers, to states and nations; and that they again, being appeased and satisfied by means of sacrifices, laid aside their burning anger, and changed the state of the atmosphere and times into a happier one? What is the meaning of the earth’s roarings, the earthquakes, which we have been told occurred because the games had been celebrated carelessly, and their nature and circumstances had not been attended to, and yet, on their being celebrated afresh, and repeated with assiduous care, the terrors of the gods were stilled, and they were recalled to care and friendship for men? How often, after that—in obedience to the commands of the seers and the responses of the diviners—sacrifice has been offered, and certain gods have been summoned from nations dwelling beyond the sea, and shrines erected to them, and certain images and statues set on loftier pillars, have fears of impending dangers been diverted, and the most troublesome enemies beaten, and the republic extended both by repeated joyous victories, and by gaining possession of several provinces! Now, certainly this would not happen if the gods despised sacrifices, games, and other acts of worship, and did not consider themselves honoured by expiratory offerings. If, then, all the rage and indignation of the deities are cooled when these things are offered, and if those things become favourable which seemed fraught with terrors, it is clear that all these things are not done without the gods wishing them, and that it is vain, and shows utter ignorance, to blame us for giving them.

Habent quidem miraculi speciem, quinimmo habere creduntur cuncta ista, quae dicta sunt: si ita, ut sunt prompta, humanum veniant ad auditum: nec diffitemur inesse his quiddam, quod in prima positum, quemadmodum dicitur, fronte perstringere aures possit, et veritatis similitudine circumvenire. Caeterum si penitus intueri res factas, personas, et personarum volueris voluntates, nihil esse reperies diis dignum, et quod saepe jam dictum est, quod ad hujus nominis speciem dignitatemque referatur. Quis est enim primum, qui deum illum fuisse credat, qui currentibus frustra delectaretur equuleis, evocarique se genere hoc ludicri jucundissimum duceret? Imo illum fuisse quis est qui assentiatur Jovem, quem deum principem dicitis, et rerum, quaecumque sunt, conditorem: qui spectatum proficisceretur e coelo, cantherios de velocitate certantes, replicantes gyros septem, et quos dissimiles ipse corporum esse in mobilitate voluisset, eos tamen gaudere, transire, transiri, pronos et cernuos ruere, cum curribus resupinos verti, trahi alios cruribus et claudicare praefractis, et ineptias nugis et crudelitatibus mixtas summis in voluptatibus habuisse, quas homo quivis laetus, nec ad studium plenae gravitatis ac ponderis eruditus puerilia duce ret atque aspernaretur ut ludicra? Quis est, inquam, qui credat, repetamus ut assidue hanc vocem, generis eum fuisse divini, qui quoniam ludis actus per circi est spatium, meritorum poenas et supplicia redditurus, ira exacerbatus ardesceret, seseque ad vires accingeret ultionis? Si enim nocens servus, atque illa fuerat animadversione puniendus: qui debuit Jupiter indignatione aliqua commoveri, cum ageretur injuste nihil, imo cum nocens caput poenis convenientibus plecteretur? Sin autem immunis ab scelere, neque ulli obnoxius crimini, vitiosi praesulis ipse fuit in causa, cui cum subvenire potuisset, non fecit, immo ipse quaesivit, et pati quod improbabat, et ab aliis poenas suae permissionis exigere: et cur laesum deinde illo se questus est et pronuntiavit in praesule, quia crucis ad poenas per circi actus est medium, virgis dilaceratus et flagris?

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39. We have come, then, in speaking, to the very point of the case, to that on which the question hinges, to the real and most intimate part of the discussion, which it is fitting that, laying aside superstitious dread, and putting away partiality, we should examine whether these are gods whom you assert to be furious when offended, and to be rendered mild by sacrifices; or whether they are something far different, and should be separated from the notion of this name and power. For we do not deny that all these things are to be found in the writings of the annalists which have been brought forward by you in opposition; for we ourselves also, according to the measure and capacity of our abilities, have read, and know, that it has been recorded that once at the ludi circenses, celebrated in honour of Jupiter the supreme, a master dragged across the middle of the arena, and afterwards, according to custom, punished with the cross, a very worthless slave whom he had beaten with rods. Then, when the games were ended, and the races not long finished, a pestilence began to distress the state; and when each day brought fresh ill worse than what was before, and the people were perishing in crowds, in a dream Jupiter said to a certain rustic, obscure from the lowliness of his lot, that he should go to the consuls, point out that the dancer had displeased him, that it might be better for the state if the respect due to the games were paid to them, and they were again celebrated afresh with assiduous care. And when he had utterly neglected to do this, either because he supposed it was an empty dream, and would find no credence with those to whom he should tell it, or because, remembering his natural insignificance, he avoided and dreaded approaching those who were so powerful, Jupiter was rendered hostile to the lingerer, and imposed as punishment on him the death of his sons. Afterwards, when he threatened the man himself with death unless he went to announce his disapproval of the dancer,—overcome by fear of dying, since he was already himself also burning with the fever of the plague, having been infected, he was carried to the senate-house, as his neighbours wished, and, when his vision had been declared, the contagious fever passed away. The repetition of the games being then decreed, great care was, on the one hand, given to the shows, and its former good health was restored to the people.

Et quid ex hoc facto labis potuit et foeditatis effluere, quod aut circum faceret minus purum, aut Jovem contaminatum, cum per exigua momenta, per puncta, tot in orbe conspiceret millia mortis in generibus variis, et cruciatibus interire diversis? Ante, inquit, est actus, ludi quam inciperent confici. Si sacrilego pectore, religionisque contemptu, est ut ignoscere debeamus Jovi indignanti se spretum, nec circensibus propriis sollicitiorem adhibitam curam. Sin autem errore vel casu, latens illud non est animadversum et cognitum vitium, nonne fuerat rectum, Jovique conveniens, ut humanis ignosceret lapsibus, et imprudentiae caecitatem veniali concessione donaret? Sed vindicanda res fuit. Et post haec aliquis fuisse illum deum credet, qui puerilis incuriam ludicri, civitatis ultus est et persecutus interitu? gravitatis, ac ponderis, aut ullius habuisse constantiae firmitatem, qui ut sibi ex integro voluptatis in gaudia curreretur, venenatam in perniciem aeris haustus vertit, et pestilentiae morbo stragem mortalitatis indixit? Si ludorum exhibitor magistratus minus curavit ediscere, quisnam esset illo die circi actus per medium, contractaque est ex hoc culpa: quid infelix commeruerat populus, ut aliena delicta capitis sui dissolveret poenis, pestilentibusque contagiis crudeliter expelleretur e vita? immo quid foeminarum genus, quas ab negotiis publicis conditio fragilitatis excepit? quid adultae virgines, quid parvuli fecere pusiones? quid denique adhuc parvi nutricum sub alimonia constituti, ut in eos immitteretur par et una saevitia, priusque acerbitatem mortis, quam dulcedinem aliquam perciperent luminis?

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40. But neither shall we deny that we know this as well, that once on a time, when the state and republic were in difficulties, caused either by a terrible plague continually infecting the people and carrying them off, or by enemies powerful, and at that time almost threatening to rob it of its liberty because of their success in battle,—by order and advice of the seers, certain gods were summoned from among nations dwelling beyond the sea, and honoured with magnificent temples; and that the violence of the plague abated, and very frequent triumphs were gained, the power of the enemy being broken, and the territory of the empire was increased, and provinces without number fell under your sway. But neither does this escape our knowledge, that we have seen it asserted that, when the Capitol was struck by a thunderbolt, and many other things in it, the image of Jupiter also, which stood on a lofty pillar, was hurled from its place. Thereafter a response was given by the soothsayers, that cruel and very sad mischances were portended from fire and slaughter, from the destruction of the laws, and the overthrow of justice, especially, however, from enemies themselves belonging to the nation, and from an impious band of conspirators; but that these things could not be averted, nay, that the accursed designs could not be revealed, unless Jupiter were again set up firmly on a higher pillar, turned towards the east, and facing the rays of the rising sun. Their words were trustworthy, for, when the pillar was raised, and the statue turned towards the sun, the secrets were revealed, and the offences made known were punished.

Si sibi Jupiter ludos scrupulosius fieri, restituique quaerebat, si fideliter reddere suam populo sanitatem, nec malum, quod fecerat, prorogari ulterius et augeri: nonne rectius fuerat, consulem ut ad ipsum veniret, sacerdotum ad aliquem publicorum, pontificem maximum, aut ad Flaminem suum Dialem, eique per somnium, et praesulis vitium, et funesti causam temporis indicaret? Quae fuerat ratio, ut ruri hominem suetum, obscuritate incognitum nominis, urbanarum inscium rerum, quid sit praesul fortasse nescientem, voluntatis suae deligeret nuntium, et expetitae satisfactionis auctorem? Quem si utique sciebat, divinus modo si fuerat tergiversatorem in obsequio futurum: nonne fuerat pronius, et Deo conveniens, mentem hominis vertere, et parendi subigere voluntatem; quam vias aggredi saeviores, et latrocinii ritu sine ulla passim ratione saevire? Si enim rusticus, senior, inexpeditus in rebus obeundis, cunctabatur in re jussa causis superioribus retardatus: quid infelices ejus commeruerant liberi, ut in eos ira et indignatio verteretur, offensasque alterius luminis sui spoliatione pensarent? Et quisquam est hominum, qui fuisse illum Deum credat tam injustum, tam impium, nec mortalium saltem constituta servantem, apud quos nefas haberetur magnum, alterum pro altero plecti, et aliena delicta aliorum cervicibus vindicari? Sed et ipsum fecit pestilitatis saevitia comprehendi. Nonne ergo praestantius. quinimmo aequius fuerat, si hoc esse videbatur faciendum, ut ab ipso patre terror coercitionis inciperet, apud quem causa tanti fuerat motus, et inoboeda cessatio, quam in ejus dolorem vim liberis facere, et innoxias urere atque abolere personas? Quaenam illa saevitia, crudelitas fuit quae tanta, ut, extincta sobole intestinis periculis post territaret patrem? Quod jamdudum si facere, id est, loco priore voluisset; nec germanitas conficeretur innoxia, et voluntas numinis cognosceretur offensa. At enim completo annuntiationis officio statim morbus evanuit, et sanitati homo est continuo restitutus. Et quid habet admirationis res ista, si malum, quod inspiraverit, repulit, seseque inani ostentatione jactavit? Quod si penitus res pendas, magis illa crudelitas, quam beneficium salutis fuit; siquidem hominem miserum, et interire post filios cupientem, non gaudia servavit ad vitae, sed ut suam solitudinem disceret, et orbitatis cruciamenta sentiret.

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41. All these things which have been mentioned, have indeed a miraculous appearance,—rather, they are believed to have it,—if they come to men’s ears just as they have been brought forward; and we do not deny that there is in them something which, being placed in the fore front, as the saying is, may stun the ears, and deceive by its resemblance to truth. But if you will look closely at what was done, the personages and their pleasures, you will find that there is nothing worthy of the gods, and, as has already been said often, nothing worthy to be referred to the splendour and majesty of this race. For, first, who is there who will believe that he was a god who was pleased with horses running to no purpose, and considered it most delightful that he should be summoned by such sports? Rather, who is there who will agree that that was Jupiter—whom you call the supreme god, and the creator of all things which are—who set out from heaven to behold geldings vieing with each other in speed, and running the seven rounds of the course; and that, although he had himself determined that they should not be equally nimble, he nevertheless rejoiced to see them pass each other, and be passed, some in their haste falling forward upon their heads, and overturned upon their backs along with their chariots, others dragged along and lamed, their legs being broken; and that he considered as the highest pleasures fooleries mixed with trifles and cruelties, which any man, even though fond of pleasure, and not trained to strive after seriousness and dignity, would consider childish, and spurn as ridiculous? Who is there, I say, who will believe—to repeat this word assiduously—that he was divine who, being irritated because a slave was led across the circus, about to suffer and be punished as he deserved, was inflamed with anger, and prepared himself to take vengeance? For if the slave was guilty, and deserved to be punished with that chastisement, why should Jupiter have been moved with any indignation when nothing was being done unjustly, nay, when a guilty fellow was being punished, as was right? But if he was free from guilt, and not worthy of punishment at all, Jupiter himself was the cause of the dancer’s vitiating the games, for when he might have helped him, he did him no service—nay, sought both to allow what he disapproved, and to exact from others the penalty for what he had permitted. And why, then, did he complain and declare that he was wronged in the case of that dancer because he was led through the midst of the circus to suffer the cross, with his back torn by rods and scourges?

Consimili ratione per alias ire licebit historias, et ostendere in his quoque longe aliud, quam esse dii debeant, de his ipsis dici, et earum in expositionibus indicari: velut in hac ipsa quam deinceps ponam, una ei duabusve conjunctis, fastidium ne immoderatione pariatur. Post advectos, inquitis, transmarinis ex gentibus deos quosdam, postque condita his templa, post cumulatas sacrificiis aras, male habens sese recreatus convaluit populus, et pestilentes morbi inducta sinceritate fugerunt. Qui, effamini, dii, quaeso? Aesculapius, inquitis, Epidauro bonis deus valetudinibus praesidens, et Tiberina in insula constitutus. Si esset nobis animus, scrupulosius ista tractare, vobis ipsis obtineremus auctoribus, minime illum fuisse divum, qui conceptus et natus muliebri alvo esset: qui annorum gradibus ad eum finem ascendisset aetatis, in quo illum vis fulminis, vestris quemadmodum litteris continentur, et vita expulisset et lumine. Sed quaestione ab ista discedimus: Coronidis filius sit, ut vultis, ex immortalium numero, et perpetua praeditus sublimitate coelesti. Ex Epidauro tamen quid est aliud allatum, nisi magni augminis coluber? Fidem si annalium sequimur: et exploratam eis attribuimus veritatem, nihil, ut conscriptum est, aliud. Quid ergo dicemus? Aesculapius iste, quem praedicatis, deus praestans, sanctus deus, salutis dator, valetudinum pessimarum propulsator, prohibitor, et extinctor, serpentis est forma et circumscriptione fininitus: per terram reptans, coeno natis ut vermiculis mos est, solum mento radit et pectore, tortuosis voluminibus se trahens, atque ut pergere prorsus possit, partem sui prostremam conatibus prioris adducit.

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42. And what pollution or abomination could have flowed from this, either to make the circus less pure, or to defile Jupiter, seeing that in a few moments, in a few seconds, he beheld so many thousands throughout the world perish by different kinds of death, and with various forms of torture? He was led across, says my opponent, before the games began to be celebrated. If from a sacrilegious spirit and contempt for religion, we have reason to excuse Jupiter for being indignant that he was contemned, and that more anxious care was not given to his games. But if from mistake or accident that secret fault was not observed and known, would it not have beer right and befitting Jupiter to pardon human failings, and grant forgiveness to the blindness of ignorance? But it was necessary that it should be punished. And after this, will any one believe that he was a god who avenged and punished neglect of a childish show by the destruction of a state? that he had any seriousness and dignity, or any steady constancy, who, that he might speedily enjoy pleasure afresh, turned the air men breathed into a baneful poison, and ordered the destruction of mortals by plague and pestilence? If the magistrate who presided over the games was too careless in learning who on that day had been led across the circus, and blame was therefore contracted, what had the unhappy people done that they should in their own persons suffer the penalty of another’s offences, and should be forced to hurry out of life by contagious pestilences? Nay, what had the women, whose weakness did not allow them to take part in public business, the grown-up maidens, the little boys, finally the young children, yet dependent for food on their nurses,—what had these done that they should be assailed with equal, with the same severity, and that before they tasted the joy of life they should feel the bitterness of death?

Et quoniam legitur usus cibis etiam, quibus vita in corporibus immoratur, habet patulas fauces, quibus cibos transvoret, oris hiatibus appetitos: habet receptaculum ventris, et ubi mansa et vorata decoquat viscera, sanguis detur ut corpori, et viribus redintegratio subrogetur: habet et extremos tramites, per quos immunda faex eat, aversabili corpora foeditate deonerans. Siquando mutat loca, et ab aliis transgredi in alias regiones parat: non ut deus obscure per coeli evolat sidera, punctoque in temporis, ubi causa postulaverit, sistitur: sed velut animal brutum vehiculum, quo sustineatur, petit: undas pelagi vitat; atque ut tutus possit incolumisque praestari, cum hominibus navem ascendit, et ille publicae sanitatis deus fragili se ligno, et tabularum compagibus credit. Non arbitramur evincere, atque obtinere vos posse, Aesculapium illum fuisse serpentem: nisi hunc colorem volueritis inducere, ut in anguem dicatis convertisse se deum, quo mentiri se posset, quisnam esset, aut quales homines intueri. Quod si fuerit a vobis dictum, quam infirmiter invalideque dicatur, ipsa rerum inaequalitas indicabit. Si enim se deus videri ab hominibus evitabat, nec in forma serpentis velle debuit conspici: cum in qualibet forma non ab ipso se alius, sed ipse esset futurus. Sin autem intenderat cernendum se dare, non debuit oculorum negare conspectui: cur non talem videri se praebuit, qualem sciebat se esse qualemque se noverat sui numinis in potentia contineri? Erat enim hoc potius, multoque praestantius, augustaeque conveniens dignitati, quam fieri belluam, horrentisque animalis in similitudinem verti, et dare ambiguis contradictionibus locum: esset ne verus Deus, an nescio quid aliud, longeque ab supera sublimitate sejunctum.

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43. If Jupiter sought to have his games celebrated, and that afresh, with greater care; if he honestly sought to restore the people to health, and that the evil which he had caused should go no further and not be increased, would it not have been better that he should come to the consul himself, to some one of the public priests, the pontifex maximus, or to his own flamen Dialis, and in a vision reveal to him the defect in the games occasioned by the dancer, and the cause of the sadness of the times? What reason had there been that he should choose to announce his wishes and procure the satisfaction desired, a man accustomed to live in the country, unknown from the obscurity of his name, not acquainted with city matters, and perhaps not knowing what a dancer is? And if he indeed knew, as he must have known if he was a diviner, that this fellow would refuse to obey, would it not have been more natural and befitting a god, to change the man’s mind, and constrain him to be willing to obey, than to try more cruel methods, and vent his rage indiscriminately, without any reason, as robbers do? For if the old rustic, not being quick in entering upon anything, delayed in doing what was commanded, being kept back by stronger motives, of what had his unhappy children been guilty, that Jupiter’s anger and indignation should be turned upon them, and that they should pay for another’s offences by being robbed of their lives? And can any man believe that he is a god who is so unjust, so impious, and who does not observe even the laws of men, among whom it would be held a great crime to punish one for another, and to avenge one man’s offences upon others? But, I am told, he caused the man himself to be seized by the cruel pestilence. Would it not then have been better, nay rather, juster, if it seemed that this should be done, that dread of punishment should be first excited by the father, who had been the cause of such passion by his disobedient delay, than to do violence to the children, and to consume and destroy innocent persons to make him sorrowful? What, pray, was the meaning of this fierceness, this cruelty, which was so great that, his offspring being dead, it afterwards terrified the father by his own danger! But if he had chosen to do this long before, that is, in the first place, not only would not the innocent brothers have been cut off, but the indignant purpose of the deity also would have been known. But certainly, it will be said, when he had done his duty by announcing the vision, the disease immediately left him, and the man was forthwith restored to health. And what is there to admire in this if he removed the evil which he had himself breathed into the man, and vaunted himself with false pretence? But if you weigh the circumstances thoroughly, there was greater cruelty than kindness in his deliverance, for Jupiter did not preserve him to the joys of life who was miserable and wishing to perish after his children, but to learn his solitariness and the agonies of bereavement.

Sed si deus, inquit, non erat, cur, e navi postquam extulit sese, tiberinam ad insulam repsit: nusquam statim comparuit, et viderier ut ante desiit? Possumus enim scire, utrumne aliquod obstaculum fuerit, cujus sese objectu atque oppositione protexerit, an hiatus aliquis? Vos pronuntiate, vos dicite, quidnam illud fuerit aut cuinam rerum generi debuerit applicari, si personarum officia sunt certa certarum vestra. Cum res ita sit, deque vestro numine, vestraque et religione tractetur, vestrum est potius edocere, vestrumque monstrare, quid illa res fuerit, nostras velle quam exaudire sententias, nostraque expectare decreta. Nam nos quidem quid aliud possumus dicere, nisi quod fuit, et visum est: quod historiae prodidere omnes, et oculorum sensibus est comprehensum? Hanc tamen scilicet colubram validissimi corporis, et prolixitatis immensae; aut si nomen hoc sordidum est, anguem dicimus, serpentem nominitamus; aut si quod aliud nobis usus vocamen obtulerit, aut ampliatio sermonis effinxerit. Si enim repsit ut coluber, non pedibus se ferens, neque suas subexplicans itiones, sed ventre nixus ac pectore: si ex materia formatus carnis longitudinem porrigebatur in lubricam, caput si habuit atque caudam, si obsita squamis terga, si macularum suffectionibus varia, si os dentibus horridum, et ad infligendos instructum morsus: quid aliud possumus, quam generis eum dicere fuisse terreni; quamvis fuerit immanis et nimius, quamvis illum ab Regulo exercitus vi caesum, longitudine corporis et roboris anteiret? Sed aliud nos remur, et labefacimus et destruimus veritatem. Ergo vestrum est explicare, quidnam ille fuerit, vel cujus generis, nominis et qualitatis cujus. Nam deus esse qui potuit, cum haberet ea, quae diximus, quae dii habere non debent, si cogitant dii esse, et vocaminis hujus eminentiam possidere? Tiberinam postquam ad insulam repsit nusquam continuo apparuit: qua ex re numen fuisse monstratur? Possumus enim scire, utrumne istic aliquod rei fuerit alicujus obstaculum, cujus sese objectu acque oppositione protexerit, an hiatus aliquis, aut ex molibus inaequaliter aggeratis successus quidam, et fornices, in quos intulit se raptim, circumscripto tuentium visu? Quid enim si flumen transilivit? quid si transpatavit? quid si sylvarum densitatibus se dedit? Argumentatio flaccida est, ea re suspicari deum illum fuisse serpentem, quod ab oculis sese properata omni festinatione subtraxit: cum deum non fuisse eadem rursus possit argumentatione monstrari.

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44. In like manner we might go through the other narratives, and show that in these also, and in expositions of these, something far different from what the gods should be is said and declared about them, as in this very story which I shall next relate, one or two only being added to it, that disgust may not be produced by excess. After certain gods were brought from among nations dwelling beyond the sea, you say, and after temples were built to them, after their altars were heaped with sacrifices, the plague-stricken people grew strong and recovered, and the pestilence fled before the soundness of health which arose. What gods, say, I beseech? Æsculapius, you say, the god of health, from Epidaurus, and now settled in the island in the middle of the Tiber. If we were disposed to be very scrupulous in dealing with your assertions, we might prove by your own authority that he was by no means divine who had been conceived and born from a woman’s womb, who had by yearly stages reached that term of life at which, as is related in your books, a thunderbolt drove him at once from life and light. But we leave this question: let the son of Coronis be, as you wish, one of the immortals, and possessed of the everlasting blessedness of heaven. From Epidaurus, however, what was brought except an enormous serpent? If we trust the annals, and ascribe to them well-ascertained truth, nothing else, as it has been recorded. What shall we say then? That Æsculapius, whom you extol, an excellent, a venerable god, the giver of health, the averter, preventer, destroyer of sickness, is contained within the form and outline of a serpent, crawling along the earth as worms are wont to do, which spring from mud; he rubs the ground with his chin and breast, dragging himself in sinuous coils; and that he may be able to go forward, he draws on the last part of his body by the efforts of the first.

Sed si deus praesens anguis ille non fuit, cur post illius adventum pestilentiae vis fracta est, et populo salus reddita romano? Referimus et nos contra: si ex libris fatalibus, vatumque responsis invitari ad urbem deus Aesculapius jussus est, ut ab luis contagio morbisque pestilentibus tutam eam incolumemque praestaret, et venit non aspernatus ut dicitis, colubrarum in formam conversus: cur toties romana civitas mali hujus afflicta est cladibus? toties aliis aliisque temporibus dilacerata, vexata est, et innumeris stragibus civium minor facta est millibus? Cum enim deus accitus in hoc esse dicatur, ut omnino omnes causas, quibus pestilentia conflabatur, averteret: sequebatur, ut civitas intacta esse deberet, flatuque a noxio immunis semper innocuaque praestari. Atquin videmus, ut superius dictum est, saepenumero his morbis cursus eam vitae habuisse funestos: nec dispendiis levibus esse populi fractas, debilitatasque virtutes. Ubi ergo Aesculapius fuit, ubi ille promissus oraculis venerabilibus? Cur templa post condita, sibique exaedificata delubra, diutius habere perpessus est bene meritas civitates luem, cum in id esset accitus, ut et malis mederetur instantibus, nec sineret in futurum tale aliquid, quod metueretur irrepere?

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45. And as we read that he used food also, by which bodily existence is kept up, he has a large gullet, that he may gulp down the food sought for with gaping mouth; he has a belly to receive it, and a place where he may digest the flesh which he has eaten and devoured, that blood may be given to his body, and his strength recruited; he has also a draught, by which the filth is got rid of, freeing his body from a disagreeable burden. Whenever he changes his place, and prepares to pass from one region to another, he does not as a god fly secretly through the stars of heaven, and stand in a moment where something requires his presence, but, just as a dull animal of earth, he seeks a conveyance on which he may be borne; he avoids the waves of the sea; and that he may be safe and sound, he goes on board ship along with men; and that god of the common safety trusts himself to weak planks and to sheets of wood joined together. We do not think that you can prove and show that that serpent was Æsculapius, unless you choose to bring forward this pretext, that you should say that the god changed himself into a snake, in order that he might be able to deceive men as to himself, who he was, or to see what men were. But if you say this, the inconsistency of your own statements will show how weak and feeble such a defence is. For if the god shunned being seen by men, he should not have chosen to be seen in the form of a serpent, since in any form whatever he was not to be other than himself, but always himself. But if, on the other hand, he had been intent on allowing himself to be seen—he should not have refused to allow men’s eyes to look on him—why did he not show himself such as he knew that he was in his own divine power? For this was preferable, and much better, and more befitting his august majesty, than to become a beast, and be changed into the likeness of a terrible animal, and afford room for objections, which cannot be decided, as to whether he was a true god, or something different and far removed from the exalted nature of deity.

Nisi forte aliquis dicet, minoribus et consequentibus saeculis idcirco dei talis defuisse custodiam, quod impiis jam moribus et improbabilibus viveretur: opem autem contulisse majoribus, quod innoxii fuerint, atque ab omni scelerum contagione dimoti; quod ratione cum aliqua et audiri forsitan potuisset, et dici, si aut in temporibus priscis omnes essent usque ad unum boni, aut sequentia tempora malos omnes generarent, et nulla diversitate discretos. Cum vero res ita sit, ut in magnis populis, nationibus, quinimmo et in civitatibus cunctis mixtum sit humanum genus naturis, voluntatibus, moribus, tamque potuerint in prioribus saeculis, quam in novellis aetatibus boni simul malique existere: stultum satis est dicere, propter malitias posteros auxilia numinum non meruisse mortales. Si enim propter malos sequentium saeculorum boni non sunt protecti temporum novellorum, et propter antiquos malos boni aeque ac majores non debuerant merere benevolentiam numinum. Sin propter bonos priscos mali etiam conservati sunt prisci: et propter bonos minores aetas debuit sequens, quamvis esset improbabilis protegi. Aut ergo jam fracta atque immunita vi morbi anguis ille perlatus famam Conservatoris assumpsit, cum nihil omnino commoditatis attulisset: aut fatalia dicenda sunt carmina, multum veris aberravisse praesagiis, cum remedium ab his datum non deinceps cunctis, sed auxilio fuisse uni tantum reperiatur aetati.

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46. But, says my opponent, if he was not a god, why, after he left the ship, and crawled to the island in the Tiber, did he immediately become invisible, and cease to be seen as before? Can we indeed know whether there was anything in the way under cover of which he hid himself, or any opening in the earth? Do you declare, say yourselves, what that was, or to what race of beings it should be referred, if your service of certain personages is in itself certain. Since the case is thus, and the discussion deals with your deity, and your religion also, it is your part to teach, and yours to show what that was, rather than to wish to hear our opinions and to await our decisions. For we, indeed, what else can we say than that which took place and was seen, which has been handed down in all the narratives, and has been observed by means of the eyes? This, however, undoubtedly we say was a colubra of very powerful frame and immense length, or, if the name is despicable, we say it was a snake, we call it a serpent, or any other name which usage has afforded to us, or the development of language devised. For if it crawled as a serpent, not supporting itself and walking on feet, but resting upon its belly and breast; if, being made of fleshly substance, it lay stretched out in slippery length; if it had a head and tail, a back covered with scales, diversified by spots of various colours; if it had a mouth bristling with fangs, and ready to bite, what else can we say than that it was of earthly origin, although of immense and excessive size, although it exceeded in length of body and greatness of might that which was slain by Regulus by the assault of his army? But if we think otherwise, we subvert and overthrow the truth. It is yours, then, to explain what that was, or what was its origin, its name, and nature. For how could it have been a god, seeing that it had those things which we have mentioned, which gods should not have if they intend to be gods, and to possess this exalted title? After it crawled to the island in the Tiber, forthwith it was nowhere to be seen, by which it is shown that it was a deity. Can we, then, know whether there was there anything in the way under cover of which it hid itself, or some opening in the earth, or some caverns and vaults, caused by huge masses being heaped up irregularly, into which it hurried, evading the gaze of the beholders? For what if it leaped across the river? what if it swam across it? what if it hid itself in the dense forests? It is weak reasoning from this, to suppose that that serpent was a god because with all speed it withdrew itself from the eyes of the beholders, since, by the same reasoning, it can be proved, on the other hand, that it was not a god.

Sed et Magna, inquit, Mater accita ex Phrygio Pessinunte, jussis consimiliter vatum, salutaris populo et magnarum causa laetitiarum fuit. Nam et diu potens hostis ab Italiae possessione detrusus est, et gloriosis illustribusque victoriis decus urbis restitutum est pristinum, et imperii fines longe lateque porrecti, et innumeris gentibus, civitatibus, populis libertatis jus raptum est, et jugum servitutis impositum; multaeque res aliae foris domique perfectae ineluctabili firmitate gentis nomen majestatemque fundarunt. Si verum loquuntur historiae, neque ullas inserunt rerum conscriptionibus falsitates, allatum ex Phrygia nihil quidem aliud scribitur missum rege ab Attalo, nisi lapis quidam non magnus, ferri manu hominis sine ulla impressione qui posset: coloris furvi atque atri, angellis prominentibus inaequalis: et quem omnes hodie ipso illo videmus in signo oris locum positum, indolatum et asperum, et simulacro faciem minus expressam simulatione praebentem.

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47. But if that snake was not a present deity, says my opponent, why, after its arrival, was the violence of the plague overcome, and health restored to the Roman people? We, too, on the other hand, bring forward the question, If, according to the books of the fates and the responses of the seers, the god Æsculapius was ordered to be invited to the city, that he might cause it to be safe and sound from the contagion of the plague and of pestilential diseases, and came without spurning the proposal contemptuously, as you say, changed into the form of serpents,—why has the Roman state been so often afflicted with such disasters, so often at one time and another torn, harassed, and diminished by thousands, through the destruction of its citizens times without number? For since the god is said to have been summoned for this purpose, that he might drive away utterly all the causes by which pestilence was excited, it followed that the state should be safe, and should be always maintained free from pestilential blasts, and unharmed. But yet we see, as was said before, that it has over and over again had seasons made mournful by these diseases, and that the manly vigour of its people has been shattered and weakened by no slight losses. Where, then, was Æsculapius? where that deliverer promised by venerable oracles? Why, after temples were built, and shrines reared to him, did he allow a state deserving his favour to be any longer plague-stricken, when he had been summoned for this purpose, that he should cure the diseases which were raging, and not allow anything of the sort which might be dreaded to steal on them afterwards?

Quid ergo dicemus? Hannibalem illum poenum, hostem potentem ac validum, sub quo anceps et dubia res romana contremuit, et magnitudo trepidavit, lapis ex Italia depulit, lapis fregit, lapis fugacem ac timidum, suique esse dissimilem fecit? Et quod rursus exilivit ad imperii columen, et regium principatum, nihil consiliis actum est, nihil hominum viribus: nec ad reditum sublimitatis antiquae tot tantisque ab ducibus quidquam est scientia militari aut rerum experientia collatum? Lapis aliis vires, aliis roboris infirmitatem dedit: hos secundis praecivitavit ab rebus, aliorum extulit stratas desperatione fortunas? Et quis hominum credat terra sumptum lapidem sensu agitabilem nullo, fuliginei coloris atque atri corporis, deum fuisse matrem? aut quis rursus accipiat, hoc enim solum restat, numinis alicujus habitasse in silicis fragmentis more subjectam, venisque in ejus abstrusam? Et unde parta victoria est, si Pessinuntio lapidi nullum inerat numen? Sedulitate possumus dicere, ac virtute pugnantium, usu, tempore, consilio, ratione, fato etiam possumus, et reciproca varietate fortunae. Sed si auxilio lapidis res facta est melior, et felix recuperata victoria est, ubinam mater illa Phrygia tempore illo fuit, cum tot tantisque exercitibus caesis inclinata est res summa, et ad ultimae labis periculum venit? Cur non minaci fortiter se obtulit? Cur impetus tantos belli non prius fregit, ac repulit, quam immanes inciderent plagae, quibus omnis effunderetur sanguis, et exhaustis rueret vita ipsa pene vitalibus? Advecta enim nondum, nec favorem fuerat ut commodaret, rogata. Sed bonus auxiliator numquam rogari se poscit, spontanea semper opitulatione subveniens. Hostem pellere, ac fugare non potuit, multo adhuc mari, terrisque habitabilibus discreta. Sed deo, si deus est, longum nihi omnino est, cui punctum terra est, et sub nutu omnia constituta.

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48. But some one will perhaps say that the care of such a god has been denied to later and following ages, because the ways in which men now live are impious and objectionable; that it brought help to our ancestors, on the contrary, because they were blameless and guiltless. Now this might perhaps have been listened to, and said with some reasonableness, either if in ancient times all were good without exception, or if later times produced only wicked people, and no others. But since this is the case that in great peoples, in nations, nay, in all cities even, men have been of mixed natures, wishes, manners, and the good and bad have been able to exist at the same time in former ages, as well as in modern times, it is rather stupid to say that mortals of a later day have not obtained the aid of the deities on account of their wickedness. For if on account of the wicked of later generations the good men of modern times have not been protected, on account of the ancient evil-doers also the good of former times should in like manner not have gained the favour of the deities. But if on account of the good of ancient times the wicked of ancient times were preserved also, the following age, too, should have been protected, although it was faulty, on account of the good of later times. So, then, either that snake gained the reputation of being a deliverer while he had been of no service at all, through his being brought to the city when the violence of the disease was already weakened and impaired, or the hymns of the fates must be said to have been far from giving true indications, since the remedy given by them is found to have been useful, not to all in succession, but to one age only.

Sed fuerit praesens, ut exposcitis credi, illo ipso numen in lapide: et mortalium quisquam est, quamvis ille sit credulus, et facillimas aures quibuslibet fictionibus praebeat, qui eam judicet fuisse aut tempore illo deam, aut hodie dici appellarique debere? quae modo haec appetat, modo illa deposcat, suos deserat fastidiatque cultores: provinciis ab humilioribus migret, potentioribus populis, ditioribusque se jungat. Verum bellicas res amat, interque esse desiderat pugnis, caedibus, mortalitatibus, et cruori. Si deorum est proprium, si modo sunt veri, et quos deceat nuncupari vi vocis istius, et potentia numinis, nihil facere malitiose, nihil injuste, hominibusque se cunctis una et parili gratia sine ulla inclinatione praebere: generis eam fuisse divini quisquam ne hominum credat, aut habuisse aequitatem diis dignam, quae, humanis sese discordiis inserens, aliorum opes fregit, aliis se praebuit exhibuitque fautricem, libertatem his abstulit, alios ad columen dominationis evexit: quae, ut una civitas emineret, in humani generis perniciem nata, orbem subjugavit innoxium.

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49. But the Great Mother, also, says my opponent, being summoned from Phrygian Pessinus in precisely the same way by command of the seers, was a cause of safety and great joy to the people. For, on the one hand, a long-powerful enemy was thrust out from the position he had gained in Italy; and, on the other, its ancient glory was restored to the city by glorious and illustrious victories, and the boundaries of the empire were extended far and wide, and their rights as freemen were torn from races, states, peoples without number, and the yoke of slavery imposed on them, and many other things accomplished at home and abroad established the renown and dignity of the race with irresistible power. If the histories tell the truth, and do not insert what is false in their accounts of events, nothing else truly is said to have been brought from Phrygia, sent by King Attalus, than a stone, not large, which could be carried in a man’s hand without any pressure—of a dusky and black colour—not smooth, but having little corners standing out, and which to-day we all see put in that image instead of a face, rough and unhewn, giving to the figure a countenance by no means lifelike.

Age nunc summatim, quoniam sermo prolatus est, et perductus in haec loca, singularum partium oppositionibus comparemus, utrumne vos melius rebus de superis sentiatis, an potius nos multo et honoratius opinemur et rectius, quodque rei divinae suam praestet atque attribuat dignitatem. Ac primum vos deos, quos in rerum natura vel arbitramini esse, vel creditis, quorumque in templis omnibus simulacra constituistis et formas, profitemini esse natos, et ex masculorum foeminarumque seminibus conventionum progenitos lege. At vero nos contra, si modo dii certi sunt, habentque hujus nominis auctoritatem, potentiam, dignitatem, aut ingenitos esse censemus, hoc enim religiosum est credere, aut si habent nativitatis exordium, dei summi est scire quibus eos rationibus fecerit, aut saecula quanta sint, ex quo eis attribuit perpetuitatem sui numinis inchoare. Vos habere sexus deos, aliosque ex his mares, foeminei generis alios esse censetis: nos potentias coelites discretas esse sensibus abnegamus; quoniam discrimen hujusmodi terrenis animantibus datum est, quas coire, quas generare auctor voluit rerum, substituendis per libidinem prolibus. Vos hominum similitudinem gerere, et mortalium vultibus existimatis esse formatos: nos effigies remur submotas esse ab his longe, quoniam forma mortalis est corporis: et si forte est ulla, comprehendere neminem posse indubitabili asseveratione juramus. A vobis artificia singuli opificum more habere perhibentur: ridemus cum audimus nos ista; quoniam diis artes necessarias ducimus arbitramurque non esse, et eas constat et liquidum est paupertatis ad subsidium comparatas.

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50. What shall we say then? Was Hannibal, that famous Carthaginian, an enemy strong and powerful, before whom the fortunes of Rome trembled in doubt and uncertainty, and its greatness shook—was he driven from Italy by a stone? was he subdued by a stone? was he made fearful, and timid, and unlike himself by a stone? And with regard to Rome’s again springing to the height of power and royal supremacy, was nothing done by wisdom, nothing by the strength of men; and, in returning to its former eminence, was no assistance given by so many and so great leaders by their military skill, or by their acquaintance with affairs? Did the stone give strength to some, feebleness to others? Did it hurl these down from success, raise the fortunes of others which seemed hopelessly overthrown? And what man will believe that a stone taken from the earth, having no feeling, of sooty colour and dark body, was the mother of the gods? or who, again, would listen to this,—for this is the only alternative,—that the power of any deity dwelt in pieces of flint, within its mass, and hidden in its veins? And how was the victory procured if there was no deity in the Pessinuntine stone? We may say, by the zeal and valour of the soldiers, by practice, time, wisdom, reason; we may say, by fate also, and the alternating fickleness of fortune. But if the state of affairs was improved, and success and victory were regained, by the stone’s assistance, where was the Phrygian mother at the time when the commonwealth was bowed down by the slaughter of so many and so great armies, and was in danger of utter ruin? Why did she not thrust herself before the threatening, the strong enemy? Why did she not crush and repel assaults so terrible before these awful blows fell, by which all the blood was shed, and the life even failed, the vitals being almost exhausted? She had not been brought yet, says my opponent, nor asked to show favour. Be it so; but a kind helper never requires to be asked, always offering assistance of his own accord. She was not able, you say, to expel the enemy and put him to flight, while still separated from Italy by much sea and land. But to a deity, if really one, nothing whatever is remote, to whom the earth is a point, and by whose nod all things have been established.

Discordiarum alios ex his vos, alios dicitis qui pestilentias irrogent, alios qui amores, qui furias, alios vero qui praesint bellis et sanguinis effusione laetentur: at vero nos contra ab ingeniis numinum judicamus esse disjunctas: aut si sunt, qui haec mala miserrimis inferant subjiciantque mortalibus, ab deorum contendimus procul esse natura, nec sub hujus nominis praedicatione ponendos. Irasci et perturbari vos numina, caeterisque animorum affectibus mancipata esse atque obnoxia judicatis; nos hujusmodi motus alienos existimamus ab his esse: sunt enim ferocium generum, et mortalitatis obeuntium functiones. Vos pecorum sanguine, vos caedibus et mactationibus hostiarum gaudere, laetari, et in gratiam cum hominibus remini offensionibus redire sopitis: nos amorem sanguinis nullum esse in coelitibus ducimus: nec esse tam duros, ut miserorum animantium caede saturatas abjiciant iras. Vos mero, vos thure honorem arbitramini diis addi, et eorum augescere dignitates: nos monstrum et prodigium judicamus, quod quisquam hominum credit aut augustiorem fieri deum fumo, aut ex roribus exiguis vini ipsum sibi ab hominibus ducere satis sancte atque honorifice supplicatum. Vos aeris tinnitibus, et tibiarum sonis, vos equorum curriculis, et theatralibus ludis persuasum habetis deos et delectari, et affici, irasque aliquando conceptas eorum satisfactione molliri: nos inconveniens ducimus. quinimmo incredibile judicamus, eos, qui gradibus mille genus omne virtutum perfectionis transierint summitate, in voluptatibus habere, atque in deliciis reseas, quas homo sapiens rideat, et quae non aliis videantur continere aliquid gratiae, quam infantibus parvulis, et trivialiter et populariter institutis.

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51. But suppose that the deity was present in that very stone, as you demand should be believed: and what mortal is there, although he may be credulous and very ready to listen to any fictions you please, who would consider that she either was a goddess at that time, or should be now so spoken of and named, who at one time desires these things, at another requires those, abandons and despises her worshippers, leaves the humbler provinces, and allies herself with more powerful and richer peoples, truly loves warfare, and wishes to be in the midst of battles, slaughter, death, and blood? If it is characteristic of the gods—if only they are true gods, and those who it is fitting should be named according to the meaning of this word and the power of divinity—to do nothing wickedly, nothing unjustly, to show themselves equally gracious to all men without any partiality, would any man believe that she was of divine origin, or showed kindness worthy of the gods, who, mixing herself up with the dissensions of men, destroyed the power of some, gave and showed favour to others, bereft some of their liberty, raised others to the height of power,—who, that one state might be pre-eminent, having been born to be the bane of the human race, subjugated the guiltless world?

Haec cum ita se habeant, cumque sit opinionum tanta nostrarum vestrarumque diversitas, ubi aut nos impii, aut vos pii: cum ex partium sensibus pietatis debeat atque impietatis ratio ponderari? Non enim simulacrum qui sibi aliquod conficit, quod pro deo veneretur: aut qui pecus trucidat inoxium, sacrisque incendit altaribus, is habendus est rebus deditus esse divinis. Opinio religionem facit, et recta de diis mens; ut nihil eos existimes contra decus praesumptae sublimitatis appetere. Cum enim cuncta, quae his dantur, sub oculis hic nostris videamus absumi, quid ad eos aliud ab nobis dicendum est pervenire, nisi opiniones diis dignas et eorum convenientissimas nomini? Haec sunt dona certissima, sacrificia haec vera: nam pulticulae, thura cum carnibus rapacium alimenta sunt ignium, et parentalibus conjunctissima mortuorum.

Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, A. Cleveland Coxe (eds.), Buffalo: Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1885-1896. Public domain: English translation first published 1885-1900 (Ante-Nicene Fathers). Latin: Migne, Patrologia Latina (1844-1855), public domain; transcription from Corpus Corporum (University of Zurich).

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